I have been lurking on this thread waiting for someone to mention the classic "wireless routers are not allowed on campus networks" arguement. <><Randy
<><Randall Grimshaw Room 203 Machinery Hall Syracuse University Syracuse, NY 13244 315-443-5779 [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] 03/17/07 4:38 PM >>> Frank: Our interpretation of the OTARD rules allows for us to view student residences as different than the classic landlord-tenant relationship, and as such we can impose our limitations as part of the private property argument. Where this falls apart is if we have a non-university entity leasing space (say a commercial copy center or food/beverage service provider). In this case, it is more of a landlord-tenant relationship, and we cannot enforce our restrictions (however we put some other provision in the lease that precludes attachment of said wireless devices). And in the immortal words of Forest Gump "That's all I have to say about that". Best Regards, Chuck Bartel -----Original Message----- From: Frank Bulk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 9:22 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] What about WLAN in the Dorms? Charles: You brought up OTARD, so I can help but ask: what was the line of reasoning your legal office followed to come up with the policy that you "reserve the right to limit the use of non-wireless Andrew 2.4 GHz devices"? This topic has been beaten to death on this listserv and I though the consensus was that the school could: - restrict attachment of such devices to their Ethernet network - control use in public areas and classrooms because it is private property - restrict faculty and staff from using such devices as part of their occupational obligations - but that residence halls, dormitories, and most any student housing had free use of unlicensed spectrum. Of course, that doesn't preclude the school from discouraging it, but they had a careful line to walk. Frank -----Original Message----- From: Charles R. Bartel [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, March 15, 2007 5:55 PM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] What about WLAN in the Dorms? Philippe: Here are answers from Carnegie Mellon. We have had Wireless Andrew in our dorms since the summer of 2001. -Destruction/disappearance of APs In our agreement with our Housing Services department, students that have a university-owned AP in their dorm rooms are covered under the same agreement that holds the student responsible for any damage to their rooms (the AP is considered part of their room). For APs in common areas, all students in the dorm are charged their fair share of the AP replacement for damage or theft (the same as if there was damage to any other common use item in the dorm). We have lost a few over the years, I believe more in the academic/research buildings than the dorms. -Interferences by cordeless phones -Interference from rogue APs (innocent or voluntary) These two are covered under our "Airspace" policy. We reserve the right to limit the use of non-Wireeless Andrew 2.4Ghz devices. I hesitate to mention this as I don't want to start the discussion up again on the d-list about an OTARD. Our Legal Affairs office has upheld our "Airspace" policy given the OTARD rules. -Do you do use vendors that provide a Wi-Fi defense (Airtight, Airmagnet, Built-in Meru disassociation) Not yet, we do use Airmagnet and other tools to search for rogue APs if there appears to be an interference problem. -If you have a wired port for every student, is wireless becoming a replacement or is it a complement We do have a wired port for every "pillow" in the dorms (we have since the late 1980's). We also have 100% wireless coverage (11b). We are seeing a significant preference for wireless over wired, but we are a fairly computing intensive campus, so the wired ports get a workout as well. -...and all these ugly ones that we have not thought about Nothing jumps out at the moment. Best Regards, Chuck Bartel Director of Network Services Project Director - Wireless Andrew Computing Services Carnegie Mellon University -----Original Message----- From: Philippe Hanset [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Wednesday, March 14, 2007 2:40 PM To: [email protected] Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] What about WLAN in the Dorms? So, we have had a 100% coverage of WLAN on campus since 2001, dealing with all kinds of problems, and sharing our adventures with this list. We also have a 100% WLAN network in our dormatories based on Linksys, Netgear,... and completely funded by students: read 100% rogue. This cheap architecture doesn't seem to cut it anymore, we are going to provide a centrally managed WLAN in the dorms. Here is a list of positive things that we thought about, if you wouldn't mind sharing your experience with us, we will be eternally greatful: -Destruction/disappearance of APs -Interferences by cordeless phones -Interference from rogue APs (innocent or voluntary) -Do you do use vendors that provide a Wi-Fi defense (Airtight, Airmagnet, Built-in Meru disassociation) -If you have a wired port for every student, is wireless becoming a replacement or is it a complement -...and all these ugly ones that we have not thought about What are good tips besides "don't do it" Thank you in advance Philippe ---------------------------------- Philippe Hanset University of Tennessee, Knoxville Office of Information Technology Network Services 108 James D Hoskins Library 1400 Cumberland Ave Knoxville, TN 37996 Tel: 1-865-9746555 ---------------------------------- ********** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ********** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ********** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ********** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/. ********** Participation and subscription information for this EDUCAUSE Constituent Group discussion list can be found at http://www.educause.edu/groups/.
