Whoops sorry responded to the wrong message. Ignore this.

On 03/16/2010 04:00 PM, Sam Stelfox wrote:
You know there is a meeting in two days right?

On 03/16/2010 03:17 PM, Jim Glassford wrote:
Greetings,

Anyone seeing BOOTP requests in addition to DHCP requests from iPhone or iTouch devices? Seeing a few iTouch/iPhone requesting BOOTP in addition to their current DHCP lease. The device is online and working with the DHCP lease but also requests BOOTP leases per the Cisco WLCs, i.e. the BOOTP requests are forward by the WLC to our dhcp server.

I "suspect" these few iPhone/iTouch devices are doing broadcasts for some installed application and the broadcasts are wrongly forwarded by the WLCs to our dhcp server, but still trying to nail down. The clients never uses the BOOTP lease, just keeps asking even when supplied one.

thanks!
jim

~debug client 00:25:4b:7a:05:b  on the WLC~

*Mar 16 14:48:04.532: 00:25:4b:7a:05:b6 DHCP received op BOOTREQUEST (1) (len 308, port 2, encap 0xec03) *Mar 16 14:48:04.533: 00:25:4b:7a:05:b6 DHCP selecting relay 1 - control block settings:
            dhcpServer: 0.0.0.0, dhcpNetmask: 0.0.0.0,
            dhcpGateway: 0.0.0.0, dhcpRelay: nnn.nnn.nnn.nnn  VLAN: xxx
*Mar 16 14:48:04.533: 00:25:4b:7a:05:b6 DHCP selected relay 1 - nnn.nnn.nnn.nnn (local address nnn.nnn.nnn.nnn, gateway nnn.nnn.nnn.nnn, VLAN xxx, port 1)
*Mar 16 14:48:04.533: 00:25:4b:7a:05:b6 DHCP transmitting BOOTP (0)
*Mar 16 14:48:04.533: 00:25:4b:7a:05:b6 DHCP op: BOOTREQUEST, htype: Ethernet, hlen: 6, hops: 1 *Mar 16 14:48:04.533: 00:25:4b:7a:05:b6 DHCP xid: 0xa12d952c (2704119084), secs: 4, flags: 0
*Mar 16 14:48:04.533: 00:25:4b:7a:05:b6 DHCP   chaddr: 00:25:4b:7a:05:b6
*Mar 16 14:48:04.533: 00:25:4b:7a:05:b6 DHCP ciaddr: 0.0.0.0, yiaddr: 0.0.0.0 *Mar 16 14:48:04.533: 00:25:4b:7a:05:b6 DHCP siaddr: 0.0.0.0, giaddr: nnn.nnn.nnn.nnn *Mar 16 14:48:04.534: 00:25:4b:7a:05:b6 DHCP sending REQUEST to nnn.nnn.nnn.nnn (len 350, port 1, vlan xxx) *Mar 16 14:48:04.534: 00:25:4b:7a:05:b6 DHCP selecting relay 2 - control block settings:
            dhcpServer: 0.0.0.0, dhcpNetmask: 0.0.0.0,
            dhcpGateway: 0.0.0.0, dhcpRelay: nnn.nnn.nnn.nnn  VLAN: xxx
*Mar 16 14:48:04.534: 00:25:4b:7a:05:b6 DHCP selected relay 2 - nnn.nnn.nnn.nnn (local address nnn.nnn.nnn.nnn, gateway nnn.nnn.nnn.nnn, VLAN xxx, port 1)
*Mar 16 14:48:04.534: 00:25:4b:7a:05:b6 DHCP transmitting BOOTP (0)
*Mar 16 14:48:04.534: 00:25:4b:7a:05:b6 DHCP op: BOOTREQUEST, htype: Ethernet, hlen: 6, hops: 2 *Mar 16 14:48:04.534: 00:25:4b:7a:05:b6 DHCP xid: 0xa12d952c (2704119084), secs: 4, flags: 0
*Mar 16 14:48:04.534: 00:25:4b:7a:05:b6 DHCP   chaddr: 00:25:4b:7a:05:b6
*Mar 16 14:48:04.534: 00:25:4b:7a:05:b6 DHCP ciaddr: 0.0.0.0, yiaddr: 0.0.0.0 *Mar 16 14:48:04.534: 00:25:4b:7a:05:b6 DHCP siaddr: 0.0.0.0, giaddr: nnn.nnn.nnn.nnn *Mar 16 14:48:04.535: 00:25:4b:7a:05:b6 DHCP sending REQUEST to nnn.nnn.nnn.nnn (len 350, port 1, vlan xxx)


~sniffer trace of what I believe is kicking the WLC to relay _/00 25 4b 7a 05 b6 /_

DLC:  ----- DLC Header -----
      DLC:
DLC: Frame 391 arrived at 14:48:07.9902; frame size is 418 (01A2 hex) bytes.
      DLC:  Destination = Station 000F35DE8400
      DLC:  Source      = Station 001BD4C17504
      DLC:  Ethertype   = 0800 (IP)
      DLC:
IP: ----- IP Header -----
      IP:
      IP: Version = 4, header length = 20 bytes
      IP: DiffServ Field  = 00
      IP:       0000 00.. = DSCP - 0 , Best Effort
IP: .... ..00 = ECT - Transport protocol will not participate in ECN
      IP: Total length    = 404 bytes
      IP: Identification  = 13639
      IP: Flags           = 4X
      IP:       .1.. .... = don't fragment
      IP:       ..0. .... = last fragment
      IP: Fragment offset = 0 bytes
      IP: Time to live    = 255 seconds/hops
      IP: Protocol        = 17 (UDP)
      IP: Header checksum = C80F (correct)
      IP: Source address      = [nn.nn.nn.nn]
      IP: Destination address = [yy.yy.yy.yy]
      IP: No options
      IP:
UDP: ----- UDP Header -----
      UDP:
      UDP: Source port      = 18260
      UDP: Destination port =  5247
      UDP: Length           = 384
      UDP: No checksum
      UDP: [376 byte(s) of data]
      UDP:
ADDR  HEX                                               ASCII
0000: 00 0f 35 de 84 00 00 1b d4 c1 75 04 08 00 45 00 | ..5Ã....ÃÃu...E.
0010: 01 94 35 47 40 00 ff 11 c8 0f ac 1f 9c 84 ac 1f | ....@...Ã.¬...¬. 0020: 88 3e 47 54 14 7f 01 80 00 00 00 20 03 20 00 00 | <88>>GT....... . ..
0030: 00 00 01 04 c0 20 00 00 00 00 01 08 2c 00 00 1c | ....Ã ......,...
0040: 0e 26 1e 90 _/00 25 4b 7a 05 b6/_ ff ff ff ff ff ff | .&...%Kz.¶...... 0050: 01 00 aa aa 03 00 00 00 08 00 45 00 01 48 ef 36 | ..ªª......E..Hï6
0060: 00 00 ff 11 cb 6e 00 00 00 00 ff ff ff ff 00 44 | ....Ãn.........D
0070: 00 43 01 34 b8 5f 01 01 06 00 a1 2d 95 2c 00 09 | .C.4¸_.....-.,.
0080: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 | ................
0090: 00 00 _/00 25 4b 7a 05 b6/_ 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 | ...%Kz.¶........
00a0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 | ................
00b0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 | ................
00c0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 | ................
00d0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 | ................
00e0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 | ................
00f0: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 | ................
0100: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 | ................
0110: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 | ................
0120: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 | ................
0130: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 | ................
0140: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 | ................
0150: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 | ................
0160: 00 00 63 82 53 63 ff 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 | ..c.Sc..........
0170: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 | ................
0180: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 | ................
0190: 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 | ................
01a0: 00 00                                           | ..



On 3/10/2010 12:13 PM, Lee H Badman wrote:

We are not a Meru shop, but have similar driver-related issues on secure networks. It is my conjecture that this is a way of life on secure networks where you have a wide range of client device types and driver vintages.

Frustratingly, MacBooks and iPhones tend to be among the most frustrating and inconsistent clients to deal with.

-Lee

Lee H. Badman

Wireless/Network Engineer

Information Technology and Services

Adjunct Instructor, iSchool

Syracuse University

315 443-3003

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*From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv [mailto:[email protected]] *On Behalf Of *Clipperton, Ken
*Sent:* Wednesday, March 10, 2010 9:45 AM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Experiences with Meru

Richard,

We have a campus-wide Meru 802.11n wireless network in place with 802.1x as part of the picture. Our experience matches yours. I have believed it was our combination of WPA2-Enterprise and 802.1x that accounted for the inability of older drivers to work with our implementation. We do run a "guest" network that is not encrypted and I believe that we have not seen the same issue for those clients.

We urge people to use the Windows Update site using the "Custom" option and installing any wireless drivers that pop up. We keep the current Intel drivers on a USB memory stick that hangs next to the help desk service window. We have used it many times. Happily that install is extremely simple -- just click on one executable, wait a short time while the updated driver installs and becomes active.

We have found that Windows default network settings don't match our needs. Some students follow a short step-by-step guide. Most bring them into the help desk. If we weren't under 1,000 students I would definitely look into the automated client configuration tools that have recently been mentioned here. I wonder if those tools also handle driver updates.

Ken

On Wed, Mar 10, 2010 at 6:24 AM, R. Smit <[email protected] <mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:

Hello,

I have a question for other Universities who are using Meru wireless 802.11n networks. We are in the process of doing a Proof of Concept on Meru’s technology of single cell architecture. We ran into a few issues and I was wondering how other universities are dealing with these kind of issues or maybe they didn’t experience any issues at all.

We noticed that clients with older drivers were unable to connect to the Meru network but after updating the drivers it worked fine. For example Intel 3945ABG chipset needed the 12.x driver to connect. So the default driver in Microsoft Vista is out dated. We have about 40,000 students and they all have their own laptop. Does anyone had to deal with this kind of problems? And how did you manage it in a large environment?

Does anyone experience that Meru is very demanding on client configuration and driver and hardware versions?

Thanks.

Regards,

Richard Smit
Hogeschool van Amsterdam
University of Professional Education

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