You mean something that maybe is limited to iOS, and is based off of bluetooth
rather than wifi, making it unaffected by the MAC address scrambling, while
all of the vendor agnostic wifi centric solutions are crippled? Something
kinda like this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBeacon
Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu | For every problem, there is a solution that
Manager of Network Operations | is simple, elegant, and wrong.
Worcester Polytechnic Institute | - HL Mencken
On 06/12/2014 08:19 AM, Lee H Badman wrote:
Is interesting theory. I'll let my snark shine, and say that I can't imagine Apple doing
this for any other reason than to somehow further their profits (maybe by making
something weird happen for location services that is only "solved" by using one
of their other products or a partner solution) rather than any sort of Wireless Good
Neighborism.
-Lee Badman
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[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Cameron, Damien L.
Sent: Wednesday, June 11, 2014 5:13 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] iOS8 and randomized mac addresses
The reverse engineering side of me wonders why they would do this, if this is
even (or becomes) the case.
I know we have always criticized Apple for the issues with roaming. Perhaps
they wanted to implement an algorithm that would continuously collect all the
AP information and roam to the AP with the best signal strength/quality?
Damien Cameron
Network Engineer
Norfolk State University
Office of Information Technology
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-----Original Message-----
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[mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of Eric Kenny
Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2014 9:11 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] iOS8 and randomized mac addresses
The non-random (burned-in) MAC was used for both broadcast and specific SSIDs.
If anyone is interested I can send them the .pcap file.
Eric J. Kenny
Network & Security Engineer
Marist College
3399 North Rd.
Poughkeepsie, NY 12601
845.575.3820
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From: Frank Sweetser
Sent by: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv
Date: 06/10/2014 07:18PM
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] iOS8 and randomized mac addresses
Did you see the non-random MAC address in broadcast SSID probe requests, or
only in SSID specific ones? My impression is that the randomization would only
be performed in broadcast probes.
Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu | For every problem, there is a solution that
Manager of Network Operations | is simple, elegant, and wrong.
Worcester Polytechnic Institute | - HL Mencken
On 6/10/2014 9:12 AM, Eric Kenny wrote:
I can confirm that my iPhone 5s with iOS 8 beta does NOT randomize the
MAC address in probe requests. This was determined by capturing and
analyzing the probe request frames.
Thanks,
Eric J. Kenny
Network & Security Engineer
Marist College
3399 North Rd.
Poughkeepsie, NY 12601
845.575.3820
*From:*The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv
<[email protected]> [mailto:The EDUCAUSE Wireless
Issues Constituent Group Listserv
<[email protected]>] *On Behalf Of *Frank Sweetser
<[email protected]>
*Sent:* Tuesday, June 10, 2014 9:03 AM
*To:* [email protected]
*Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] iOS8 and randomized mac addresses
From what I can tell, they're only randomizing the MAC address on
probe requests. It appears to still use the burned in MAC address for
association and all subsequent traffic.
That said, I'd love for someone with an iOS 8 device and a suitable
wireless sniffer rig to confirm this guess =)
Frank Sweetser fs at wpi.edu | For every problem, there is a solution
that Manager of Network Operations | is simple, elegant, and wrong.
Worcester Polytechnic Institute | - HL Mencken
On 06/10/2014 08:54 AM, Lee H Badman wrote:
> ​For historical tracking, could be pretty rough especially
when individual
> users have multiple devices.
>
>
> *Lee H. Badman*
> Network Architect/Wireless TME
> ITS, Syracuse University
> 315.443.3003
>
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> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv
> on behalf of Eric Kenny
>
> *Sent:* Monday, June 9, 2014 2:27 PM
> *To:* [email protected]
<mailto:[email protected]>
> *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] iOS8 and randomized mac addresses
>
> I h ave the first beta of iOS 8 installed on my iPhone 5s and it
does not
> appear to randomize the MAC address, nor are there any visible
settings to
> enable/disable that "feature." Since the MAC address remains the
same while
> associated to a wireless network it should not pose any issues. The
original
> source in the article indicates that iOS 8 will only randomize the
MAC while
> scanning for available networks.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Eric J. Kenny
>
> Network & Security Engineer
>
> Marist College
>
> 3399 North Rd.
>
> Poughkeepsie, NY 12601
>
> 845.575.3820
>
> *From:*The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Constituent Group Listserv
> [mailto:The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues
> Constituent Group Listserv ] *On Behalf Of
> *Rick Coloccia, Jr.
> *Sent:* Monday, June 9, 2014 11:06 AM
> *To:* [email protected] <ma
ilto:[email protected]>
> *Subject:* [WIRELESS-LAN] iOS8 and randomized mac addresses
>
> Just saw this:
>
>
http://www.theverge.com/2014/6/9/5792970/ios-8-strikes-an-unexpected-b
low-against-location-tracking
>
> It wasn't touted onstage, but a new iOS 8 feature is set to cause
havoc for
> location trackers, and score a major win for privacy. As spotted by
Frederic
> Jacobs
<https://twitter.com/FredericJacobs/status/475601665836744704>, the
> changes have to do with the MAC address used to identify devices
wi! th in
> networks. When iOS 8 devices look for a connection, they randomize
that
> address, effectively disguising any trace of the real dev ice until
it decides
> to connect to a network.
>
>
> Any guesses as to how this will impact wpa2 auth or location
tracking with an
> MSE? (We're a Cisco wireless network with three 5508s in HA config
running
> current 7.6 code.)
>
> Looking forward to your thoughts...
>
> -Rick
>
>
> --
>
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>
> Network Manager
>
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>
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>
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>
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