Thanks for the link.  I forgot all about that tool.  FWIW, I entered the 
parameters for a few buildings we designed recently and I think the settings 
produced by the tool would be quite serviceable.  If I didn't have time for 
a thorough survey I would be willing to go with these.  That said, I think 
it still leaves some performance on the table.  Some observations:

-The resulting configs have fixed Tx power.
-It uses ARM to set power, so the min Tx power is 3 dBm instead of 0.
-It modifies the coverage indices, which answers my question in an earlier 
email regarding how to figure out an appropriate value.
-It does not adjust Rx sensitivity
-All configs had a 12 Mb/s minimum, basic, and beacon rate.

In my opinion (and it's exactly that, an opinion), the configs are good 
(MUCH better than defaults,) but an experienced professional can do better.

Chuck

-----Original Message-----
From: Frank Sweetser [mailto:[email protected]]
Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 5:28 PM
To: Chuck Enfield <[email protected]>; [email protected]
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Exclusive 2.4 Ghz and 5 Ghz SSIDs

I've heard good things about this specific Aruba solution, which at least 
aims to give a set of environment specific tuning settings:

https://ase.arubanetworks.com/solutions/id/75

(I believe an Aruba support login is required to view)
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Sent from my Android device with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity.

On August 13, 2015 5:15:21 PM EDT, Chuck Enfield <[email protected]> wrote:
>I suspect you're that ARM can be made to work, but the question is how
>to do it.  Aruba doesn't tell you what the various indices should be,
>they just say that they vary with deployment density.  Ask the question
>on Airheads and you get:
>
>"95% of the time you do not have to change those parameters.  An
>explanation of ARM parameters is here:" and then a link to the users'
>guide ARM section.
>That from an Aruba employee.
>
>Also, ARM won’t adjust the Tx power down to 0 dBm, which I find is
>often the right 2.4 Tx power for really dense deployments, such as
>classroom buildings where there's an AP in almost every room.  0 dBm
>must be set in the radio profile.
>
>Before Client Match I considered abandoning ARM entirely.  Client Match
>and Mode Aware definitely make it worth keeping though.
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: James Michael Keller [mailto:[email protected]]
>Sent: Thursday, August 13, 2015 4:05 PM
>To: Chuck Enfield <[email protected]>; [email protected]
>Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] Exclusive 2.4 Ghz and 5 Ghz SSIDs
>
>On 08/13/2015 03:40 PM, Chuck Enfield wrote:
>> Just to be clear, we don’t have to do these things to make wireless
>> work.  It makes it work better.  But it is sometimes necessary to
>make
>> wireless work acceptably in the most challenging environments.  That
>> said, left to defaults Aruba’s ARM also adjusts 2.4 GHz Tx power way
>> down.  So far down, in fact, that coverage gaps show up.  It also
>tends
>> to keep power higher on busy APs and lower on less busy ones.  In
>some
>> cases the power on the 2.4 radio will be the same as the power on the
>5
>> GHz radio.  These characteristics forces us to configure a range of
>> acceptable power levels for ARM to choose from.  Once you’re doing
>that,
>> why not select the optimum power levels?
>>
>> While I’m no expert on Cisco wireless, I have assisted some
>departments
>> with problems on their Cisco infrastructure.  Based on that limited
>> experience, I have far less confidence in RRM than you seem to.
>>
>
>The main issue is the defaults for Aruba are for coverage networks, not
>high density (30-40 ft) or very high density (30 Ft or less).   You
>need
>to adjust the coverage index min/ideal for high density deployments so
>ARM will power down to Min TX powers without shutting down the 2.4 GHz
>radios due to CCI (even with edge detection for the APs the default
>will
>still end up with only a few 2.4 GHz APs).   If you set Tx Min/Max to a
>6dBm range the APs can power to around double the cell size for
>coverage gaps if a radio is down.
>
>I also like to set the 5 GHz Tx Min/Max range at least 3dBm higher then
>2.4 GHz because of the unattenuated propagation distance and better
>attenuated penetration.  Which also helps duel band devices make better
>selections.  However most devices have a fairly generous threshold on
>AP signal drop before they even try and probe for candidate APs to
>associate to.  That's really where the controller based client stearing
>solutions come in to play with selective acks or the probes to get the
>client on the best AP regardless of what the client wants based on just
>Rx signal.

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