Delicate balance here unfortunately. Most operating systems only natively support SCEP for certificate enrollment which does not support EC.
Also, FYI, if you’re using any form of supplicant configuration tool, including JoinNow, you can use an organizationally issued EAP server certificate instead of a public CA. Keep in mind that starting in September, Apple devices will only allow a lifetime of 1 year, so continuing to use a public cert where the risk of a chain change will become even more painful. tim Tim Cappalli | @timcappalli<https://www.twitter.com/timcappalli> [Microsoft logo] From: Philippe Hanset<mailto:[email protected]> Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2020 14:54 To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] securew2 root ca radius server cert change Somewhat related to this thread, if you are planning to switch to EAP-TLS, please consider using ECC (Elliptic Curve Cryptography, small certs) Certificates. They make EAP-TLS much more compatible when authentications cross many network devices ( related MTU size issues), especially if you do not control those devices. We have had many failed authentications on eduroam with EAP-TLS (using 2048 bits certs) due to MTU mismatch on network devices across the entire federation. Best, Philippe Philippe Hanset, CEO www.anyroam.net<https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.anyroam.net%2F&data=02%7C01%7Ctim.cappalli%40MICROSOFT.COM%7C09119d87af7447d49d5908d8026f4642%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637262024655152080&sdata=Ix7oJo8fQPJsAjrn9knja%2Byeh6sjudeXFOoO%2BltOSUQ%3D&reserved=0> Operator of eduroam-US +1 (865) 236-0770 On May 27, 2020, at 8:16 AM, Turner, Ryan H <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: My guidance is for properly onboarded TLS devices. It doesn’t apply to PEAL or anything else. Actually, that does bring a wrinkle into my previous email. If PEAP and TLS both exist, I am going to guess there will be more prompts or issues with a private CA (perhaps) Ryan Turner Head of Networking, ITS The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill +1 919 274 7926 Mobile +1 919 445 0113 Office On May 26, 2020, at 8:21 PM, Hurt,Trenton W. <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote: I’m also doing unmanned eap peap (yes I know all the security reasons against this) if I don’t use public signed ca will byod devices be able to connect via eap peap with that private cert? Trent Hurt University of Louisville From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> on behalf of Turner, Ryan H <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2020 8:10 PM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] securew2 root ca radius server cert change CAUTION: This email originated from outside of our organization. Do not click links, open attachments, or respond unless you recognize the sender's email address and know the contents are safe. You are likely totally hosed. In fact, you should consider abandoning public CAs entirely when you re-do this. Through-out the years, I’ve counseled a lot of schools about TLS deployments, and I cautioned strongly against using public CAs for this exact reason. You have no control, and your CA can totally hose you, as you can see. There is no way around this if the CA will not cooperate. You should talk to your active directory folks. They should spin up a new offline private CA root, then intermediary, then issue your RADIUS servers from the intermediary. The expiration should be many years. OR, you can utilize SecureW2 and their online CA to generate RADIUS server certificates. In any event, get off the public CAs. Ryan From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv <[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> On Behalf Of Hurt,Trenton W. Sent: Tuesday, May 26, 2020 5:36 PM To: [email protected]<mailto:[email protected]> Subject: [WIRELESS-LAN] securew2 root ca radius server cert change I have both eap peap and eap tls setup and working. My radius server cert is going to expire soon. I have received new one from public ca. It works fine for eap peap clients. But for my existing eap tls clients they all fail auth when I switch to this new updated rad cert. I see that my public ca has issued this new cert using different root ca then my old one ()the one that is install/config on my securew2 app in the cloud. Securew2 has told me that users will have to onboard again once I change the cert on clearpass and update the cloud app since public ca changed root ca on cert chain. I asked my public ca if they could reissue using the other root ca so my eap tls clients will still work once I do the change. 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