Ryan,
We have a flag you can set that will hide you from the UAH directory and
cause us to never reveal that you're a student ("FERPA hold"). One can
assume that privacy-conscious students might set this flag. By that metric,
12% of our students are privacy-conscious.
HTH
--
Hunter Fuller (they)
Router Jockey
VBH Annex B-5
+1 256 824 5331
Office of Information Technology
The University of Alabama in Huntsville
Network Engineering
On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 6:03 PM Turner, Ryan H <rhtur...@email.unc.edu>
wrote:
> Personally this just doesn’t resonate to me. How many students care about
> privacy concerns every time they sign up for the latest social data mining
> app?
>
> Ryan Turner
> Head of Networking, ITS
> The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
> +1 919 274 7926 Mobile
> +1 919 445 0113 Office
>
> On Aug 6, 2020, at 3:36 PM, Tim Cappalli <
> 00000194c9ecac40-dmarc-requ...@listserv.educause.edu> wrote:
>
>
>
> Sure, everyone has their motives for privacy. But tracking a device by MAC
> address across networks is a huge and very real issue. Think about
> everywhere you see the XFINITY SSID. Every Comcast cable modem in the
> country broadcasts it. What a massive tracking domain if you have it saved
> on your phone. Those are the things Google and Apple are trying to prevent.
> Has really nothing to do with their own internal platform operation.
>
>
>
> That is why just setting a MAC per-SSID doesn’t cut it. But as per usual,
> the networking industry didn’t take this seriously 5+ years ago and OS
> vendors now have to back out of privacy preserving changes or face
> ridiculous (and IMO unnecessary) backlash.
>
>
>
> tim
>
>
>
> *From: *The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv <
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
> *Date: *Thursday, August 6, 2020 at 15:26
> *To: *WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU <
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
> *Subject: *Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further...
>
> Our lawyers tell me that we’re responsible for takedowns by virtue of it
> being on our network. If the content is on host we manage we would just
> remove the content, but If it’s not our host, which is usually the case,
> then we have to remove the host from the network.
>
>
>
> FWIW, I’m not losing sleep over the liability issue. We’re not putting
> the MAC auth genie back in the bottle any time soon, so the university is
> just going to live with that risk until we have a better option. Besides,
> since we got a border firewall, takedowns have become really rare. I’m
> more concerned about providing a quality connection and support experience
> for our users and getting compromised devices off the network. The point
> of my original comment wasn’t really to debate DMCA, but to challenge Tim’s
> objection to disabling privacy settings. There are good reasons to disable
> them for our networks on a per SSID basis, and if our users want to use the
> MAC auth network in the res halls, that’s what they’ll have to do.
>
>
>
> I also find it ironic that Apple and Google pretend to care about our
> privacy. What they care about is our perception of their products. If
> they actually cared about our privacy they would collect far less of our
> data than they do. I’m not offended by it, but my position is
> fundamentally the same as theirs – if you’re unwilling to sacrifice your
> privacy, don’t use our stuff.
>
>
>
> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv <
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> *On Behalf Of *Jeffrey D. Sessler
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 06, 2020 2:36 PM
> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further...
>
>
>
> Chuck,
>
>
>
> What DMCA requirements do you speak of? As an ISP there is very little we
> technically have to do, but many EDU’s go above and beyond the
> requirements. We have far more requirements if copyrighted information is
> being hosted on systems we own, but when it’s an end-user, there are little
> to no obligations, and if MAC address randomization makes it impossible,
> then there is nothing more one has to do under the DMCA.
>
>
>
> Jeff
>
>
>
> *From: *The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv <
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
> *Date: *Thursday, August 6, 2020 at 7:52 AM
> *To: *WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU <
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
> *Subject: *Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further...
>
> How can we fulfill DMCA requirements when we can’t even identify a device,
> let alone the user? If you want to remain anonymous, use a different
> network.
>
>
>
> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv <
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> *On Behalf Of *Tim Cappalli
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 06, 2020 10:45 AM
> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further...
>
>
>
> Yikes. I hope network operators are not asking users to disable user
> privacy protections. That is a slippery slope.
>
>
>
> tim
>
>
>
> *From: *The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv <
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
> *Date: *Thursday, August 6, 2020 at 10:40
> *To: *WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU <
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
> *Subject: *Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further...
>
> Was sent this link yesterday, might help some.
>
>
>
>
> https://community.cisco.com/t5/security-documents/random-mac-address-how-to-deal-with-it-using-ise/ta-p/4049321
> <https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fcommunity.cisco.com%2Ft5%2Fsecurity-documents%2Frandom-mac-address-how-to-deal-with-it-using-ise%2Fta-p%2F4049321&data=02%7C01%7Ctim.cappalli%40MICROSOFT.COM%7Ca1ef3556fd7b48d99ba308d83a3e91b9%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637323387885654416&sdata=dA3E0axAcADH4Mk0Q7vaB9UBRyZuKpa%2BMQmx%2BLEX2FM%3D&reserved=0>
>
>
>
>
>
> Blake Brown
>
> Infrastructure Manager - MHCC
>
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv <
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> on behalf of Norman Elton <
> normel...@gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, August 6, 2020 5:48 AM
> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU <
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
> *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further...
>
>
>
> *External Email*
>
> >> I have heard that on the latest beta that came out Tuesday the
> randomization will only happen once per SSID and not change as well.
>
>
>
> Oh? We will definitely be testing that. Can you share your source? My
> phone is still on Beta 3, and I don't have an update available for Beta 4
> yet. I suppose I have to wait for my ticket to ride.
>
>
>
> Thanks for the tip,
>
>
>
> Norman
>
>
>
> On Thu, Aug 6, 2020 at 6:55 AM Walter Reynolds <wa...@umich.edu> wrote:
>
> I have heard that on the latest beta that came out Tuesday the
> randomization will only happen once per SSID and not change as well.
>
> ------------------------
> Walter Reynolds
> Network Architect
> Information and Technology Services
> University of Michigan
> (734) 615-9438
>
>
>
> On Wed, Aug 5, 2020, 9:09 PM Norman Elton <normel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> Depending on your tolerance for the disruption you could implement a
> network access policy blocking access to the
>
> >> range of local MAC's and intercept with a captive portal with
> instructions on how to turn this off. However, I can't imagine
>
> >> this being sustainable.
>
>
>
> Newer Androids use the same MAC address range for their randomization
> algorithm. Unlike iOS; however, their MAC address is randomized once per
> SSID, and doesn't change over time. We already see a large number of
> private mac addresses on our campus, I anecdotally confirmed a handful of
> them are Android users, and confirmed the MAC remains consistent.
>
>
>
> Long story short, if you're looking to restrict randomized MAC addresses,
> or even report on their usage, you'll find more than just iOS users :-/
>
>
>
> There is a fine line between "troubleshooting" and "tracking".
> Unfortunately, preventing malicious tracking is going to impact our helpful
> troubleshooting. As an EAP-TLS campus, we're going to attempt to de-dupe
> the randomized MAC addresses using the certificate serial number. This way,
> if someone calls on Monday to complain about a problem on Saturday, at
> least we have someplace to start.
>
>
>
> Norman
>
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, Aug 3, 2020 at 10:28 AM John Turner <jtur...@nyansa.com> wrote:
>
> Update on my testing.
>
>
>
> I created an 802.1X network and connected my ios14 phone to it - over the
> 10 days or so the phone has pretty much just sat - It's a test phone so I
> didn't interact with it at all
>
>
>
> The pattern is pretty consistent it appears that it's changing MAC every 2
> days almost to the min.
>
>
>
> As you can see it's grabbing a different IP each time (not surprising)
>
>
>
> There is no indication in the logs that this is the same device - RADIUS
> looks unique as does DHCP.
>
>
>
> Tim and I talked last week about this - while the intent SHOULD have been
> to protect the association packets while allowing operators to correlate
> who the owner or what the device is, this is not happening.
>
>
>
> Depending on your tolerance for the disruption you could implement a
> network access policy blocking access to the range of local MAC's and
> intercept with a captive portal with instructions on how to turn this off.
> However, I can't imagine this being sustainable.
>
>
>
> Any thoughts on how this might wreak havoc on a UEM solution?
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 3:35 PM David Logan <tarheeldav...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Also, nothing to prevent Apple / GOOG from using frequent GPS location
> tied to a particular SSID for same inference
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 2:44 PM Tim Cappalli <
> 00000194c9ecac40-dmarc-requ...@listserv.educause.edu> wrote:
>
> Just a quick thought. Nothing to back this up outside of people’s
> observations. I’m wondering if there is some ML to detect BSS changes. If
> there’s only a few BSSIDs for that SSID over time, it could infer that it’s
> a home or “local” network.
>
>
>
> tim
>
>
>
> *From: *The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv <
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
> *Date: *Thursday, July 23, 2020 at 14:18
> *To: *WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU <
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
> *Subject: *Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further...
>
> Interesting - no change on the MAC address but a new "privacy warning"
> that private addresses may not be' supported on this network. The link does
> not provide any insight on this topic.
>
>
>
> I am running a PSK network on an Aruba 325.
>
>
>
> I connected to my 802.1x network and I don't see that message and private
> addressing IS enabled.
>
>
>
> <image001.png>
>
>
>
> The other networks I have configured also haven't seen a MAC address
> changed.
>
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 8:49 AM Miller, Keith C <keith.mil...@unc.edu>
> wrote:
>
> Thanks for providing some examples John. It looks like you may have 2
> SSIDs, 1 per band. Did the MAC address also change for the “linksys55” SSID?
>
>
>
> Reading from the published Apple document that Hector shared:
>
>
>
> “To reduce this privacy risk, iOS 14, iPadOS 14, and watchOS 7 include a
> feature that periodically changes the MAC address your device uses with
> each Wi-Fi network. This randomized MAC address is your device's private
> Wi-Fi address for that network—until the next time it joins with a
> different address”
>
>
>
> I really wish they would provide more detail about what “periodically”
> means and if this occurs at some specific interval depending on activity as
> some have suggested.
>
>
>
> https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT211227
> <https://nam06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fsupport.apple.com%2Fen-us%2FHT211227&data=02%7C01%7Ctim.cappalli%40MICROSOFT.COM%7Ca1ef3556fd7b48d99ba308d83a3e91b9%7C72f988bf86f141af91ab2d7cd011db47%7C1%7C0%7C637323387885654416&sdata=w23jOy1BJAdi0RAU273uqj7q8H1XWAOHh9ICy9sGo9c%3D&reserved=0>
>
>
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Keith
>
>
>
> *From: *The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv <
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> on behalf of John Turner <
> jtur...@nyansa.com>
> *Reply-To: *The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv <
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
> *Date: *Tuesday, July 21, 2020 at 6:23 PM
> *To: *"WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU" <
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
> *Subject: *Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further...
>
>
>
> I’m working on testing this now.
>
>
>
> So far it appears that the "Private Address" option is enabled by
> default for any of the "My Networks" and initially is set to the hardware
> MAC address.
>
>
>
> New connections receive a new private MAC.
>
>
>
> Toggling the WiFi does not change them.
>
>
>
> I will update tomorrow on if it changes.
>
>
>
> Here are 2 screenshots from my home network ( the F3:4D was configured
> prior to upgrade)
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 6:15 PM Norman Elton <normel...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> This is all fascinating, I’m looking forward to getting my hands on a
> public beta.
>
>
>
> Those “in the know” ... does this impact 1x networks as well as open? It
> seems that if you’re connecting with credentials, there’s already a trust
> relationship in place.
>
>
>
> And is the feature enabled for networks that were configured before
> upgrading to iOS 14?
>
>
>
> Fun times,
>
>
>
> Norman Elton
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On Tue, Jul 21, 2020 at 2:55 PM Rios, Hector J <
> hector.r...@austin.utexas.edu> wrote:
>
> I just finished reading the “Apple Beta Software Program Agreement”.
> Interesting information:
>
>
>
> “Don’t blog, post screen shots, tweet, or publicly post information about
> the public beta software, and don’t discuss the public beta software with
> or demonstrate it to others who are not in the Apple Beta Software Program.”
>
>
>
> So, I need everyone to sign up to the beta software program so we can
> continue this conversation (J/K)
>
>
>
> Hector Rios, Wireless Network Architect
>
> The University of Texas at Austin
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv <
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> *On Behalf Of *Tim Cappalli
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 21, 2020 1:06 PM
> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further...
>
>
>
> Yeah, good catch Chris! I’d be interested in seeing some field data as
> well. The only info I saw was that it changed every 24 hours, but it sounds
> like there’s a * which indicates inactivity / not associated.
>
>
>
> It makes much more sense that it wouldn’t change if the device maintains
> an active connection as there are really no privacy concerns until the
> device disconnects and moves.
>
>
>
> tim
>
>
>
> *From: *The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv <
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
> *Date: *Tuesday, July 21, 2020 at 13:15
> *To: *WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU <
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
> *Subject: *Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further...
>
> Tim had mentioned the following: “On iOS 14, the MAC is set per ESSID and
> is changed once every 24 hours.”
>
>
>
> Chris then mentioned that he found one iOS 14 device that, as long as it
> remains connected, the MAC remains the same, even beyond 24hrs.
>
>
>
> Has anyone else done testing? Please share your results.
>
>
>
> Hector Rios, Wireless Network Architect
>
> The University of Texas at Austin
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv <
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> *On Behalf Of *Johnson, Christopher
> *Sent:* Monday, July 20, 2020 10:19 AM
> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further...
>
>
>
> Default behavior matters indeed. Got a preview of what to expect over the
> weekend.
>
>
>
> Found one individual that was in Aruba Airwave “12 Times” for their iPhone
> 14.0 over past couple of weeks and another “6 times”. It appears that as
> long as the device remains “connected” to the network beyond the 24 hours,
> the MAC Address will remain the same. Although if they’re fully
> de-authenticated or move say into an elevator or outside (or a class phone
> reboot occurs in the pocket) – then the MAC Address will update upon
> establishing a new connection – that is just the initial observation I saw.
>
> *Christopher Johnson*
> Wireless Network Engineer
> Office of Technology Solutions | Illinois State University
> (309) 438-8444
>
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> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv <
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> *On Behalf Of *Enfield, Chuck
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 14, 2020 12:36 PM
> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further...
>
>
>
> *[This message came from an external source. If suspicious, report to
> ab...@ilstu.edu <ab...@ilstu.edu>] *
>
> True, but default behavior matters.
>
>
>
> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv <
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> *On Behalf Of *Rios, Hector J
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 14, 2020 1:12 PM
> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further...
>
>
>
> Please note that MAC randomization is not just a feature of Android and
> iOS. It is supported across other operating systems.
>
>
>
> Hector Rios, Wireless Network Architect
>
> The University of Texas at Austin
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv <
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> *On Behalf Of *Jonathan Miller
> *Sent:* Tuesday, July 14, 2020 11:32 AM
> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further...
>
>
>
> For those of us using ClearPass to authenticate users to eduroam, does
> this mean that every iOS device will get registered as a new endpoint every
> day? For others, does your NAC store a client's MAC persistently? I'm
> assuming that the answer to both is yes.
>
>
>
> How can we plan for the impact of that on our databases? Should we delete
> all iOS and Android devices after 48 hours? Am I missing something obvious?
>
>
> Jonathan Miller
>
> Senior Network Analyst
>
> Franklin and Marshall College
>
>
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jul 10, 2020 at 4:37 PM Enfield, Chuck <cae...@psu.edu> wrote:
>
> PS – My plan for supporting our guest network will be to tell any user who
> contacts us with an Apple device that the network is fine and they should
> contact Apple for device support. I can’t get away with that for our
> enterprise network, but Apple is going to own the guest problem.
>
>
>
> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv <
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> *On Behalf Of *Enfield, Chuck
> *Sent:* Friday, July 10, 2020 4:34 PM
> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further...
>
>
>
> My point wasn’t to debate Passpoint either. I’m wondering if Apple
> actually has a plan, and if so, if they’ve bothered to tell anybody.
>
>
>
> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv <
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> *On Behalf Of *Tim Cappalli
> *Sent:* Friday, July 10, 2020 4:22 PM
> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further...
>
>
>
> Passpoint is not just about mobile network operators. Any identity
> provider can provision a Passpoint profile. That is the whole drive behind
> OpenRoaming. The industry goal is that every user has at least 2 Passpoint
> profiles on their devices: one tied to their enterprise/school identity and
> the other tied to a personal identity. The traditional enterprise/school
> onboarding process stays largely the same, except some additional Passpoint
> logic is added.
>
>
>
> Mobile network operators / cell providers are only one (optional) piece of
> the puzzle.
>
>
>
> Probably should start a separate thread for anything deeper on Passpoint
> beyond it being a solution for network access. Don’t want to take away from
> the OG conversation.
>
>
>
> tim
>
>
>
> *From: *The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv <
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
> *Date: *Friday, July 10, 2020 at 16:17
> *To: *WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU <
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
> *Subject: *Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further...
>
> Understood, but few Wi-Fi operators actually support Passpoint on their
> networks. Since Apple is eliminating the alternatives, they either must be
> idiots (my bet) or have a proposal for what we should all being doing
> instead.
>
>
>
> I still get really confused looks when I try to discuss Passpoint with my
> contacts at the major cellular providers, so it can’t possibly be a
> realistic option for most of us.
>
>
>
> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv <
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> *On Behalf Of *Tim Cappalli
> *Sent:* Friday, July 10, 2020 4:07 PM
> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> *Subject:* Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further...
>
>
>
> Not sure I follow. Passpoint is an industry-wide solution for secure Wi-Fi
> roaming. Passpoint has been supported on iOS and macOS (along with Windows
> and Android) for a number of years.
>
>
>
> I definitely don’t follow this comment: “you can’t onboard your Apple to
> enable identity-based auth.”
>
>
>
> tim
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>
>
> *From: *The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv <
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
> *Date: *Friday, July 10, 2020 at 16:04
> *To: *WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU <
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU>
> *Subject: *Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further...
>
> So you can’t use an Apple MAC address for guest auth, and you can’t
> onboard your Apple to enable identity-based auth. Apple must be thinking
> that they can drag the entire world, kicking and screaming, into federated
> authentication that Apple products ship knowing how to do (Passpoint,
> openroaming, etc.). Do they have a proposal for this that I missed?
>
>
>
> *From:* The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv <
> WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU> *On Behalf Of *Rios, Hector J
> *Sent:* Friday, July 10, 2020 2:56 PM
> *To:* WIRELESS-LAN@LISTSERV.EDUCAUSE.EDU
> *Subject:* [WIRELESS-LAN] MAC Randomization, a step further...
>
>
>
> Apple is moving forward with their privacy efforts. The next step is to
> randomize MAC addresses when connecting to an AP, not just when probing.
> This is coming soon.
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>
> https://globalreachtech.com/blog-mac-randomisation-apple/
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> This is from Apple. Luckily, there is a way to disable private addresses.
> I just don’t know if it will be ON by default.
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