Funny thing is that I have heard nothing about this until the last week.  
Haven’t been on campus.  I don’t know what changed or it was a recent patch 
level.  I had to update a laptop I don’t normally use to see for myself.

Ryan Turner
Head of Networking, ITS
The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
+1 919 274 7926 Mobile
+1 919 445 0113 Office

On Jun 17, 2021, at 3:32 PM, Elton, Norman N <[email protected]> wrote:


And just to confirm, we’re talking about Big Sur? It came out last November, so 
we’ve already seen a pretty substantial migration. I do recall there being a 
few extra steps, but that seems to be par for the course for Apple these days. 
We had a few extra tickets, but it wasn’t quite apocalyptic.

But we haven’t tested Monterey yet…

Norman

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
<[email protected]> on behalf of Turner, Ryan H 
<[email protected]>
Date: Thursday, June 17, 2021 at 3:30 PM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] OSX | Big Sur | EAP-TLS Apocalypse
We were never EAP-PEAP.  It would be TTLS.  I have spoken with SecureW2 and 
hope to have better news tomorrow.
Ryan Turner
Head of Networking, ITS
The University of North Carolina at Chapel Hill
+1 919 274 7926 Mobile
+1 919 445 0113 Office


On Jun 17, 2021, at 3:16 PM, Elton, Norman N <[email protected]> wrote:

When you say “stick a fork in this”. You mean … go back to MS-CHAPv2?

Norman


Norman Elton
Director
W&M IT Infrastructure
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From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
<[email protected]> on behalf of Turner, Ryan H 
<[email protected]>
Date: Thursday, June 17, 2021 at 11:29 AM
To: [email protected] <[email protected]>
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] OSX | Big Sur | EAP-TLS Apocalypse
Will do.

From: The EDUCAUSE Wireless Issues Community Group Listserv 
<[email protected]> On Behalf Of Daniel Wurst
Sent: Thursday, June 17, 2021 11:25 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [WIRELESS-LAN] OSX | Big Sur | EAP-TLS Apocalypse

Ryan,

We are just deploying SecureW2 this summer and are noticing the exact same 
thing. It is pretty horrible.
Please keep us posted if you make any progress on this issue.

Thanks,

Dan

On Thu, Jun 17, 2021 at 11:17 AM Turner, Ryan H 
<[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>> wrote:
Every operating system has its challenges, but those with TLS need to be paying 
attention to Big Sur.  Excluding the SSO sign-on, the local username and 
password has to be entered at least EIGHT TIMES to install all the certs.  I 
have never seen a worse user experience in my life with TLS, and Android had 
some bad ones.  We are working with SecureW2 to see if there can be 
improvements.  However, if this doesn’t get better, I may have to stick a fork 
in this.  Just horrible.

Those of you with TLS shops:  Find a Big Sur machine and run it through the 
process.

Ryan Turner
Head of Networking
Communication Technologies | Information Technology Services
[email protected]<mailto:[email protected]>
+1 919 445 0113 (Office)
+1 919 274 7926 (Mobile)


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