Aaron,

If you hadnt gone into reactionary troll mode before reading the thread
that I was responding to what I will say in the next few lines would have
probably been self evident and you wouldnt be coming off as the BOFH that
you think you are.

Opencerts is about as valuble as using your own CA and generating your own
certificates. Possibly more so for two reasons.
1. With opencerts there is a means to track who created the certificate by
email.
2. The average user doesnt have to go mucking with openssl.

No solution is perfect, even the SSL model is flawed, yet that is another
conversation. Despite these facts, I'd pay for the Notary solution in a
heartbeat.  Verisign's monopoly sucks, and why I support things like opencerts,
especialy for things like generating your own certifcates for ssl
tunneling between 802.11 networks, which was the original topic of this
thread.


christopher


Christopher K. Neitzert / 0xC10D222F / [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Director, Network Operations - Redundant Networks - www.redundant.com

On Mon, 22 Jul 2002, Aaron T Porter wrote:

> Date: Mon, 22 Jul 2002 13:19:50 -0700
> From: Aaron T Porter <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Christopher K. Neitzert <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: [BAWUG] list downtime
>
> On Mon, Jul 22, 2002 at 08:00:52PM +0000, Christopher K. Neitzert wrote:
> > I love www.opencerts.com  now *this* is an idea whose time has long been
> > overdue.
>
>       How can this possibly be of any value? The whole point behind
> having a signed certificate is having a "trusted" third party vouch that
> you are who you claim to be. OpenCerts email verification is weak at
> best.
>       At one point Bruce Perens was working with a company that was
> planning to have the Notary Publics at one of the large Mailbox chains
> checking photo IDs and signing certs at a very low cost -- a service
> like that would have a lot more value to me.
>

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