What's warchalking, chalking, etc.? Tom ----- Original Message ----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 12:00:01 -0700 To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: wireless digest, Vol 1 #1020 - 16 msgs
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Re: Cisco Aironet 340 AP Installation Key (Jacques Caron) > 12. RE: WAPs with built in router-firewall (Jim Michael) > 13. Re: RE: PCA economics (Gene) > 14. Re: Cisco Aironet 340 AP Installation Key (Eric Sorenson) > 15. Re: RE: PCA economics (Eric Sorenson) > 16. Re: RE: PCA economics (Gene) > > --__--__-- > > Message: 1 > From: "Mike Avery" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 11:15:05 -0600 > Subject: Re: [BAWUG] Greetings all > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > On 24 Sep 2002 at 12:04, Mike Walt wrote: > > > ... currently have a Linksys WAP11 servicing our wireless needs, currently > > some parts of our floor do not receive a signal ... > > <snip> > > > I have enquired at www.hyperlinktech.com > > because I thought I could mount an external antenna on that side of > > the building with roughly 30ft of cable to my LinksysWAP11 and it > > would solve all my issues but I may have been mistaken. I was told by > > them "We have found that external antennas do not reliably extend the > > range of this device." > > Hyperlink Technology does not like the WAP11. When I > mentioned I was using it, they tried to sell me a Cisco > product. I wound up getting an antenna and amp from > them for the WAP11. > > Six months later the amp died. My representative, > Jamie I think, tried to tell me he didn't understand how > he could have sold me an amp and antenna for a WAP11 > since that isn't a tested and certified combination. > > My reply was, "when I ordered it, it was a combination > listed on your web page. I told you what I planned on > doing with it. You sold it to me. Now, support it." > After several repititions, he did. > > At this point, between their service attitude and prices, > I'm taking my business elsewhere. > > Mike > -- > Mike Avery > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ICQ: 16241692 AOL IM:MAvery81230 > Phone: 970-642-0282 > * Spam is for lusers who can't get business any other > way * > > A Randomly Selected Thought For The Day: > A proliferation of new laws creates a proliferation of > new loopholes. > > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 14:32:38 -0700 (PDT) > From: Afaque Ahmed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: [BAWUG] Cisco Aironet 340 AP Installation Key > > All, > I have managed to reprogram my Cisco Aironet 340 AP > via the serial port with the latest firmware > downloaded from the Cisco TAC website. However, I was > not able to recover the AP Installation Key. > Apparently, this is a known problem with Cisco Aironet > 340 AP. > > http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/770/fn15790.shtml > > Does anybody have the AP Installation Key for > AIR-AP342E2R? > > Sincerely, > Afaque. > San Jose, CA > > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! > http://sbc.yahoo.com > > --__--__-- > > Message: 3 > Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 15:03:52 -0700 > From: Dave Holmes-Kinsella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: BAWUG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [BAWUG] WiFi versus 3G and Wyndham > > Todd Boyle felt inclined to opine: > > > From: Todd Boyle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [BAWUG] More on WiFi vs. 3G "Battle" Topic > > www.80211-planet.com/columns/article/0,4000,1781_1473511,00.html > > > [...] > > > Wyndham senior vice president and chief technology officer Mark > Hedley > believes that within three to five years, high-speed wireless > Internet > access in hotels will be provided not over local 802.11 > networks > but via nationwide 3G networks. > Wyndham and countless other companies, in countless industries, will > always prefer to sell products that are proprietary because they have > greater revenue potential. In general, these companies do not care about > any form of "commons". Anything that is has not yet been marketized, or > quantified in our money system doesn't exist, and these sorts of > companies are against standardization of anything. > > I conclude Wyndham either plans to get a payoff from some 3G telco or > ISP scheme, or they have been beaten by monopolists so many times they > are simply not willing to bet on unlicensed, standards-based, > owner-operated Internet. > Todd > < > > With respect, I conclude differently: Wyndham plans to compete with > other hotels in serving the business market. I discovered, much to my > delight, that if you're a Wyndham guest program member, you get > broadband access for free in the properties that have it - Wyndham, like > that coffee house in Seattle (?) that's been fighting with Starbucks and > those caf� guys over in Massachusetts, have figured out that it's not > about rooking the punter for another ten bucks or so, it's about > attracting and retaining your customers. > > Wyndham cares only about selling a service experience. That's all a > hotel can ever be. > > > Cheers, > -- dhk > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 4 > Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 16:16:45 -0700 > From: Dave Holmes-Kinsella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: BAWUG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [BAWUG] Warchalking: Meme or Movement > > Sameer's excellently penned note of last week (or so) suggested the > following: > > Message: 2 > Date: Thu, 19 Sep 2002 12:36:11 -0700 > From: Sameer Verma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: wireless <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [BAWUG] Wireless hitchhikers branded as thieves > FYI: > Phone maker Nokia has come down strongly against warchalking. Read more > at: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/technology/2268224.stm > <sarcasm> > Ah! My hopes for a bright future in warchalking have been dashed to the > pavement. I'd better not quit my day job with the classchalking. > </sarcasm> > Sameer > > My question: has anyone on this list warchalked? > > Cheers, > -- dhk > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 5 > Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 17:07:58 -0700 > From: bcorwin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "'Wireless-Bawug'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [BAWUG] new WiFi PC card with external antennas > > Asante has just announced (but isn't yet shipping) a new 802.11b PC card > that has fold out antennas. > They also have Mac OSX drivers for it. > > http://www.asante.com/products/adapters/al1000/index.html > > no mention of the chipset used, but they do mention that there is a sniffing > utility included for windows, so maybe it's Prism2. > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 6 > Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 19:31:48 -0600 > From: "Gregory J. Smith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: BAWUG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [BAWUG] Hotels w/ WiFI? > > Is anyone familiar with a website that can show you what hotels have WiFi? > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 7 > From: "David T. Witkowski" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "'BAWUG'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: RE: [BAWUG] Hotels w/ WiFI? > Date: Wed, 2 Oct 2002 21:19:31 -0700 > > > http://www.geektools.com/geektels/ > > ...dtw > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Gregory J. Smith > Sent: Wednesday, October 02, 2002 6:32 PM > To: BAWUG > Subject: [BAWUG] Hotels w/ WiFI? > > > Is anyone familiar with a website that can show you what hotels have > WiFi? > > -- > general wireless list, a bawug thing <http://www.bawug.org/> > [un]subscribe: http://lists.bawug.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 8 > Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 00:18:20 -0500 > Subject: Re: [BAWUG] WiFi versus 3G and Wyndham > Cc: BAWUG <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Dave Holmes-Kinsella <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > From: Jim Thompson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > You're correct. Wyndham probably wants a share of all the 'minutes' > for guests staying in their hotels. > But then, I once heard a Wyndham officer talk about being able to brand > the water in the bowl of the > toilet in your room. > > In the meantime, they figured out how to leverage all those dot-com > dollars invested in Wayport. > > Jim (used to be CTO @ Wayport). > > On Wednesday, October 2, 2002, at 05:03 PM, Dave Holmes-Kinsella wrote: > > > Todd Boyle felt inclined to opine: > >> > > From: Todd Boyle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > Subject: Re: [BAWUG] More on WiFi vs. 3G "Battle" Topic > >> www.80211-planet.com/columns/article/0,4000,1781_1473511,00.html > >>> [...] > >>> Wyndham senior vice president and chief technology officer Mark > > Hedley > believes that within three to five years, high-speed wireless > > Internet > access in hotels will be provided not over local 802.11 > > networks > but via nationwide 3G networks. > > Wyndham and countless other companies, in countless industries, will > > always prefer to sell products that are proprietary because they have > > greater revenue potential. In general, these companies do not care > > about > > any form of "commons". Anything that is has not yet been marketized, or > > quantified in our money system doesn't exist, and these sorts of > > companies are against standardization of anything. > > > > I conclude Wyndham either plans to get a payoff from some 3G telco or > > ISP scheme, or they have been beaten by monopolists so many times they > > are simply not willing to bet on unlicensed, standards-based, > > owner-operated Internet. > > Todd > > < > > > > With respect, I conclude differently: Wyndham plans to compete with > > other hotels in serving the business market. I discovered, much to my > > delight, that if you're a Wyndham guest program member, you get > > broadband access for free in the properties that have it - Wyndham, > > like > > that coffee house in Seattle (?) that's been fighting with Starbucks > > and > > those caf� guys over in Massachusetts, have figured out that it's not > > about rooking the punter for another ten bucks or so, it's about > > attracting and retaining your customers. > > > > Wyndham cares only about selling a service experience. That's all a > > hotel can ever be. > > > > > > Cheers, > > -- dhk > > > > > > -- > > general wireless list, a bawug thing <http://www.bawug.org/> > > [un]subscribe: http://lists.bawug.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 9 > Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 07:50:56 +0100 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > From: Julian Bond <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [BAWUG] WAPs with built in router-firewall > > Another data point. Talking to the D-Link salesman at a Wireless show. > By end Oct, they'll be selling the DLS-604G. WAP, Firewall, Router, 4 > port ethernet and ADSL modem in one box. Likely UK price is around > UKP200 so $200 or $175 after discounting. We won't know till somebody > plays with it, but it sounds like the firewall is powerful enough to > secure trusted use while safely sharing with guests. > > I have to assume that this is the next standard box. With Toshiba, > Draytek, D-Link all announcing one, Netgear, Linksys (Microsoft), > Buffalo and the others can't be far behind. > > In which case, we have an opportunity to guide the non-technical into > routinely sharing their bandwidth so that it's the norm rather than > something too dangerous to touch. > > -- > Julian Bond Email&MSM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Webmaster: http://www.ecademy.com/ > Personal WebLog: http://www.voidstar.com/ > CV/Resume: http://www.voidstar.com/cv/ > M: +44 (0)77 5907 2173 T: +44 (0)192 0412 433 > > --__--__-- > > Message: 10 > Date: Wed, 02 Oct 2002 07:29:07 -0700 > From: D Phelps <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > CC: "'Wireless-Bawug'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [BAWUG] RE: PCA economics > > > > > OT-sidenote: I wish the BAWUG ML server would add the reply-to tag on > > > its own.... > > > > Get better email software. http://russnelson.com/rt.html > > > > -- > > -russ nelson http://russnelson.com > > Rather than a "Reply to Recepient" option, > we need a RFC and implementation of "Reply-to-Mail List"! > An RFC for both mailing list, and email clients to implement. > "Reply to Recepient" may be understandable to this list, > but certainly not to the mass hords of (AOL) users. > > dp > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 11 > Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 11:15:05 +0200 > To: Afaque Ahmed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > From: Jacques Caron <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [BAWUG] Cisco Aironet 340 AP Installation Key > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > The installation key is specific to your box (based on the MAC address I > believe). You have to call cisco to get it back. > > Jacques. > > At 23:32 02/10/2002, Afaque Ahmed wrote: > >All, > >I have managed to reprogram my Cisco Aironet 340 AP > >via the serial port with the latest firmware > >downloaded from the Cisco TAC website. However, I was > >not able to recover the AP Installation Key. > >Apparently, this is a known problem with Cisco Aironet > >340 AP. > > > >http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/770/fn15790.shtml > > > >Does anybody have the AP Installation Key for > >AIR-AP342E2R? > > > >Sincerely, > >Afaque. > >San Jose, CA > > > > > >__________________________________________________ > >Do you Yahoo!? > >New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! > >http://sbc.yahoo.com > >-- > >general wireless list, a bawug thing <http://www.bawug.org/> > >[un]subscribe: http://lists.bawug.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > -- Jacques Caron, IP Sector Technologies > Join the discussion on public WLAN open global roaming: > http://lists.ipsector.com/listinfo/openroaming > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 12 > From: Jim Michael <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [BAWUG] WAPs with built in router-firewall > Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 09:00:30 -0400 > > > > > Another data point. Talking to the D-Link salesman at a > > Wireless show. > > By end Oct, they'll be selling the DLS-604G. WAP, Firewall, Router, 4 > > port ethernet and ADSL modem in one box. Likely UK price is around > > UKP200 so $200 or $175 after discounting. We won't know till somebody > > plays with it, but it sounds like the firewall is powerful enough to > > secure trusted use while safely sharing with guests. > > > > I have to assume that this is the next standard box. With Toshiba, > > Draytek, D-Link all announcing one, Netgear, Linksys (Microsoft), > > Buffalo and the others can't be far behind. > > At a show I attended a couple of weeks ago Netgear said their 802.11b VPN > solution would be available shortly. Their rep said they would not be > providing the VPN client software. Would it be asking too much to have the > VPN client incorporated in the wireless card? > > Jim > > --__--__-- > > Message: 13 > Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 09:25:01 -0700 > From: Gene <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: "'Wireless-Bawug'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "'Wireless-Bawug'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [BAWUG] RE: PCA economics > > Maybe, but most OTHER ML's do it server-side and add the tag "Reply-to:" > to each message. > > Anyways, I like my mozilla....hey....at least it ain't microsoft. > > G. > > D Phelps wrote: > > > >> > OT-sidenote: I wish the BAWUG ML server would add the reply-to tag on > >> > its own.... > >> > >> Get better email software. http://russnelson.com/rt.html > >> > >> -- > >> -russ nelson http://russnelson.com > > > > > > Rather than a "Reply to Recepient" option, > > we need a RFC and implementation of "Reply-to-Mail List"! > > An RFC for both mailing list, and email clients to implement. > > "Reply to Recepient" may be understandable to this list, > > but certainly not to the mass hords of (AOL) users. > > > > dp > > > > > > -- > > general wireless list, a bawug thing <http://www.bawug.org/> > > [un]subscribe: http://lists.bawug.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 14 > Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 09:44:24 -0700 (PDT) > From: Eric Sorenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Afaque Ahmed <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [BAWUG] Cisco Aironet 340 AP Installation Key > > > On Wed, 2 Oct 2002, Afaque Ahmed wrote: > > > I have managed to reprogram my Cisco Aironet 340 AP > > via the serial port with the latest firmware > > downloaded from the Cisco TAC website. However, I was > > not able to recover the AP Installation Key. > > Apparently, this is a known problem with Cisco Aironet > > 340 AP. > > > > http://www.cisco.com/warp/public/770/fn15790.shtml > > Well, this is a known problem with not following their > procedure for password recovery.. You're supposed to copy > the AP Key into the DRAM bank *BEFORE* you format the > Config bank, and then copy it back in afterwards. > > > Does anybody have the AP Installation Key for > > AIR-AP342E2R? > > As the page you referenced indicates, you need to RMA your AP. > Sorry. > > -- > > Eric Sorenson - EXPLOSIVE Networking - http://explosive.net > > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 15 > Date: Thu, 3 Oct 2002 09:51:56 -0700 (PDT) > From: Eric Sorenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "'Wireless-Bawug'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [BAWUG] RE: PCA economics > > > On Thu, 3 Oct 2002, Gene wrote: > > > Maybe, but most OTHER ML's do it server-side and add the tag "Reply-to:" > > to each message. > > They shouldn't, for many reasons, most of which are detailed > in the "Reply-To Munging Considered Harmful" paper: > http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html > > -- > > Eric Sorenson - EXPLOSIVE Networking - http://explosive.net > > > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 16 > Date: Thu, 03 Oct 2002 11:30:00 -0700 > From: Gene <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: "'Wireless-Bawug'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "'Wireless-Bawug'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: Re: [BAWUG] RE: PCA economics > > Some of reasons themselves seemed fallacious to me. > There are some reasons FOR the tag....besides making it easy. > For one, for those using mailers that don't have a "Reply to group" and > instead use "Reply to all" it'll cut down on the dbl-emailing. > (getting two for every one got annoying really fast). > Two, that paper ASSUMED that ppl only want to reply to the author, when > in reality replying back to the list is done more often. > ("Assumption is the mother of all f*ck ups" - Under Siege 2) > > Three, not all mailers (or ppl) are alike and assuming that they are > is fallacious. > > I'll think of some more good reasons later. > > G. > > Eric Sorenson wrote: > > On Thu, 3 Oct 2002, Gene wrote: > > > > > >>Maybe, but most OTHER ML's do it server-side and add the tag "Reply-to:" > >>to each message. > > > > > > They shouldn't, for many reasons, most of which are detailed > > in the "Reply-To Munging Considered Harmful" paper: > > http://www.unicom.com/pw/reply-to-harmful.html > > > > > > --__--__-- > > -- > general wireless list, a bawug thing <http://www.bawug.org/> > [un]subscribe: http://lists.bawug.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > End of wireless Digest > -- __________________________________________________________ Sign-up for your own FREE Personalized E-mail at Mail.com http://www.mail.com/?sr=signup "Free price comparison tool gives you the best prices and cash back!" http://www.bestbuyfinder.com/download.htm -- general wireless list, a bawug thing <http://www.bawug.org/> [un]subscribe: http://lists.bawug.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
