On Wed, Dec 04, 2002 at 03:52:38PM -0800, Eric Sorenson wrote: > Sorry to resurrect this thread but there were a couple of points > here that struck me.. > On Sun, 1 Dec 2002, Tim Pozar wrote: > > As a co-founder of an early ISP (TLGnet), I had originally defended > > these appropriate use policies as the low pricing of residential > > broadband supports it. Up until recently[1], wholesale broadband > > costs were at $200-500 per Megabit per month. > > As far as I know, reasonable quality Internet connectivity (excluding > deals for peering arrangments, as you noted) still bottoms out at around > $200 per month per megabit, up through the 50-100mbit range. > > [...] > > [1] A number of ISPs such as Cogent are offering wholesale bandwidth > > at $30-50 a Megabit per month. There is some industry concern > > about the peering arrangement they have and how they can continue > > to offer these prices and be profitable. Many other co-location > > providers are using Cogent and this pricing in their service > > pricing (ie. Level3, Stream Guys, etc.) We may get to the > > point, like in Japan that bandwidth costs are just not a factor > > to end user pricing. For instance, in Japan you can get 6Mb/s > > DSL for $20 a month and 12 Mb/s DSL for about $30 a month. > > I talked to cogent a couple of years ago when we were shopping for > high-bandwidth ISPs. Please correct me if their pricing or business > model has changed since then, but at the time, the "100 megabits for > $1000 / mo" deal was predicated upon a) fiber availability to your > site (buildout costs not included), and b) your location being a > suitable multi-tenant facility where they'd be able to get more > customers to amortize the cost of the backhaul. They're doing the > same thing as the DSL ISP's, just with the MRF and Mb times 10.
They must have change their pricing. I don't have the full details, but it seems if you are a a reseller of bandwidth that will actually pull some X amount of Mb/s, your pricing will be around $30-50 per Mb/s per month. A number of ISPs are actually reselling Cogent (United Layer, Stream Guys) for slightly over what Cogent is selling it for. For instance, I got a quote from The Stream Guys for bandwidth at $65 per Mb/s per month. My point was that bandwidth prices for *some* transit is actually getting pretty low for ISPs. Cogent is an exception to the rule of $200 per Mb/s per month. I only footnoted them as someone would likely call me on the pricing that I quoted. > I don't think Level3 is using Cogent, if anything Cogent uses > either Level3's "wavelength" semi-dark-fiber product or their IP > network for transit. I may have confused myself about this. When I last check into Layer3 peering and transit, some months ago, I though they were using some transit from Cogent. Perhaps it is the other way around. I do know that United Layer and Stream Guys are examples of ISPs/Colos that are currently using Cogent. Tim -- general wireless list, a bawug thing <http://www.bawug.org/> [un]subscribe: http://lists.bawug.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
