Hello . someone know if i can run dstumbler on my freebsd access point to test signal level of my custumers, beacouse when I try to do that allways crash the wireless card thanks
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(Greg DesBrisay) > 10. Re: Anyone here used a GPS to position antennas? (Greg DesBrisay) > > --__--__-- > > Message: 1 > From: "Gus Welter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 14:41:56 -0600 > Subject: [BAWUG] Linksys Powerline Networking > > Has anyone had experience with Linksys powerline networking? Is it > reliable/fast/easy? > > Thanks! > > -Gus > > Gus Welter > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > c| (254) 715-2964 > > Persnickety Tim's Coffee > http://www.ptims.com > p| (254) 836-4599 > f | (254) 836-9203 > > For great coffee and coffee gifts, go to ptims.com! > > --__--__-- > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 13:33:20 -0800 > Subject: Re: [BAWUG] Linksys Powerline Networking > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Gus Welter" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > From: Cliff Skolnick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I've played around with it a little bit, and have had some success. > First, just give it a try and it may work. There is no formula that I > have found to figure out if a link will work or not. Second, one thing > that seems to effect it more than you would expect is power strips. > Using power strips seems to really kill things so I would suggest > plugging the units directly into the wall. > > As for speed, I've saturated a 10mb Ethernet segment and have not had > the chance to take it further and test on 100mb yet since I have had no > need. > > Cheers, > Cliff > > On Monday, Jan 20, 2003, at 12:41 US/Pacific, Gus Welter wrote: > > > Has anyone had experience with Linksys powerline networking? Is it > > reliable/fast/easy? > > > > Thanks! > > > > -Gus > > > > Gus Welter > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > c| (254) 715-2964 > > > > Persnickety Tim's Coffee > > http://www.ptims.com > > p| (254) 836-4599 > > f | (254) 836-9203 > > > > For great coffee and coffee gifts, go to ptims.com! > > > > > > -- > > general wireless list, a bawug thing <http://www.bawug.org/> > > [un]subscribe: http://lists.bawug.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > --__--__-- > > Message: 3 > From: "Elsa Chan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "'Cliff Skolnick'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "'Gus Welter'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: RE: [BAWUG] Linksys Powerline Networking > Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 13:43:41 -0800 > Organization: Asoka USA Corporation > > Hi, > > Actually, it is because the power strips often have a built-in surge > suppressor which filters out the entire signal. It is recommended that > you don't use any power strip...instead, plug directly into the power > outlet. > > Best, > Elsa > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Cliff Skolnick > Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 1:33 PM > To: Gus Welter > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [BAWUG] Linksys Powerline Networking > > I've played around with it a little bit, and have had some success. > First, just give it a try and it may work. There is no formula that I > have found to figure out if a link will work or not. Second, one thing > that seems to effect it more than you would expect is power strips. > Using power strips seems to really kill things so I would suggest > plugging the units directly into the wall. > > As for speed, I've saturated a 10mb Ethernet segment and have not had > the chance to take it further and test on 100mb yet since I have had no > need. > > Cheers, > Cliff > > On Monday, Jan 20, 2003, at 12:41 US/Pacific, Gus Welter wrote: > > > Has anyone had experience with Linksys powerline networking? Is it > > reliable/fast/easy? > > > > Thanks! > > > > -Gus > > > > Gus Welter > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > c| (254) 715-2964 > > > > Persnickety Tim's Coffee > > http://www.ptims.com > > p| (254) 836-4599 > > f | (254) 836-9203 > > > > For great coffee and coffee gifts, go to ptims.com! > > > > > > -- > > general wireless list, a bawug thing <http://www.bawug.org/> > > [un]subscribe: http://lists.bawug.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > -- > general wireless list, a bawug thing <http://www.bawug.org/> > [un]subscribe: http://lists.bawug.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > --__--__-- > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 13:56:26 -0800 > Subject: Re: [BAWUG] Linksys Powerline Networking > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "'Gus Welter'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "Elsa Chan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > From: Cliff Skolnick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > I should have mentioned that this was with those really cheap power > strips that don't mention anything about surge suppressors, and in > general I tend to avoid those. I was thinking that there was maybe > something to do with the switch. Strips not labeled with surge > suppressors are also problematic. > > Cheers, > Cliff > > On Monday, Jan 20, 2003, at 13:43 US/Pacific, Elsa Chan wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > Actually, it is because the power strips often have a built-in surge > > suppressor which filters out the entire signal. It is recommended that > > you don't use any power strip...instead, plug directly into the power > > outlet. > > > > Best, > > Elsa > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Cliff Skolnick > > Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 1:33 PM > > To: Gus Welter > > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [BAWUG] Linksys Powerline Networking > > > > I've played around with it a little bit, and have had some success. > > First, just give it a try and it may work. There is no formula that I > > have found to figure out if a link will work or not. Second, one thing > > that seems to effect it more than you would expect is power strips. > > Using power strips seems to really kill things so I would suggest > > plugging the units directly into the wall. > > > > As for speed, I've saturated a 10mb Ethernet segment and have not had > > the chance to take it further and test on 100mb yet since I have had no > > need. > > > > Cheers, > > Cliff > > > > > > On Monday, Jan 20, 2003, at 12:41 US/Pacific, Gus Welter wrote: > > > >> Has anyone had experience with Linksys powerline networking? Is it > >> reliable/fast/easy? > >> > >> Thanks! > >> > >> -Gus > >> > >> Gus Welter > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> c| (254) 715-2964 > >> > >> Persnickety Tim's Coffee > >> http://www.ptims.com > >> p| (254) 836-4599 > >> f | (254) 836-9203 > >> > >> For great coffee and coffee gifts, go to ptims.com! > >> > >> > >> -- > >> general wireless list, a bawug thing <http://www.bawug.org/> > >> [un]subscribe: http://lists.bawug.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > -- > > general wireless list, a bawug thing <http://www.bawug.org/> > > [un]subscribe: http://lists.bawug.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > -- > > general wireless list, a bawug thing <http://www.bawug.org/> > > [un]subscribe: http://lists.bawug.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > --__--__-- > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 13:57:08 -0800 (PST) > From: Joel Jaeggli <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Elsa Chan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > cc: "'Cliff Skolnick'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "'Gus Welter'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: RE: [BAWUG] Linksys Powerline Networking > > On Mon, 20 Jan 2003, Elsa Chan wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > Actually, it is because the power strips often have a built-in surge > > suppressor which filters out the entire signal. It is recommended that > > you don't use any power strip...instead, plug directly into the power > > outlet. > > The surge protector portion is typically an (mov) metal-oxide-vaisistor a > device which in this case increases it's resistance as the voltage > climbs... That shouldn't have any effect on powerline networking... what > will affect it though is that it sounds like the surge protector in > question is not a bottom of the barrel model and includes a noise/emi > filter, which will negativly affect your powerline networking. > > > > Best, > > Elsa > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Cliff Skolnick > > Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 1:33 PM > > To: Gus Welter > > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [BAWUG] Linksys Powerline Networking > > > > I've played around with it a little bit, and have had some success. > > First, just give it a try and it may work. There is no formula that I > > have found to figure out if a link will work or not. Second, one thing > > that seems to effect it more than you would expect is power strips. > > Using power strips seems to really kill things so I would suggest > > plugging the units directly into the wall. > > > > As for speed, I've saturated a 10mb Ethernet segment and have not had > > the chance to take it further and test on 100mb yet since I have had no > > need. > > > > Cheers, > > Cliff > > > > > > On Monday, Jan 20, 2003, at 12:41 US/Pacific, Gus Welter wrote: > > > > > Has anyone had experience with Linksys powerline networking? Is it > > > reliable/fast/easy? > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > -Gus > > > > > > Gus Welter > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > c| (254) 715-2964 > > > > > > Persnickety Tim's Coffee > > > http://www.ptims.com > > > p| (254) 836-4599 > > > f | (254) 836-9203 > > > > > > For great coffee and coffee gifts, go to ptims.com! > > > > > > > > > -- > > > general wireless list, a bawug thing <http://www.bawug.org/> > > > [un]subscribe: http://lists.bawug.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > -- > > general wireless list, a bawug thing <http://www.bawug.org/> > > [un]subscribe: http://lists.bawug.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > -- > > general wireless list, a bawug thing <http://www.bawug.org/> > > [un]subscribe: http://lists.bawug.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > -- > -------------------------------------------------------------------------- > Joel Jaeggli Academic User Services [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- PGP Key Fingerprint: 1DE9 8FCA 51FB 4195 B42A 9C32 A30D 121E -- > In Dr. Johnson's famous dictionary patriotism is defined as the last > resort of the scoundrel. With all due respect to an enlightened but > inferior lexicographer I beg to submit that it is the first. > -- Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary" > > --__--__-- > > Message: 6 > Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 15:04:35 -0800 > From: Tim Pozar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Greg DesBrisay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: Xparent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [BAWUG] Anyone here used a GPS to position antennas? > > On Sun, Jan 19, 2003 at 11:49:01PM -0800, Greg DesBrisay wrote: > > Sure, I do this all the time. > > GPS units work great (as long as you're outdoors and you're not > > surrounded by too many tall buildings). > > Just about any brand works fine. > > Most of my experience has been with Garmin gear, and older Trimble gear. > > > > What exactly are you trying to accomplish? > > > > If all you want to do is determine if your link is unobstructed, then > > eyeballing your link may be the most effective thing, given that your > > potential link is only two miles long. > > > > For longer links, for links with obstructions, or for links that you > > want to document, you can use the lat/lon measurements you get along > > with a topographic map (or topo-map software like Topo-USA from > > Delorme--cheap and good in my experience) to figure out if you've got > > enough clearance over hills, etc.. (It takes a bit more work to account > > for the height of buildings or trees along the path.) > > And it doesn't take into account refraction and curvature of the earth. > > Tim > > --__--__-- > > Message: 7 > Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 15:58:51 -0800 (PST) > From: Dan Kramarsky <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: [BAWUG] Anyone here used a GPS to position antennas > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > yes, i think what you want to do is get a "bearing". > > to do this travel to Point A and mark it by pressing > the 'mark' button. When it asks > for a 'label' call it "TowerA" or something like that. > now you have made what is called a 'waypoint' which just > a neat way of saying you have stored a LAT/LONG location in memory. > > then travel to Point B and mark that to. give it a name too. > now while your standing there at Point B, hit > the [GOTO] button and select "TowerA" from the list of > waypioints. > > The screen wiil now show you the bearing (compass direction) and > the Distance back to TowerA. > > To get it right with the compass you have to do a tiny bit of math. > > Bearing on the GPS - ( Magnetic Declination ) = Compass Heading > > You will need to look up the "Magnetic Declination" for your country/state. > > you could also try this calculator : > http://www.ngdc.noaa.gov/cgi-bin/seg/gmag/fldsnth1.pl > > The new heading you calculate can be used directly on your compass. > > ===== > Dan Kramarsky > RF Engineer > SpeedBand, Inc. > =- Wireless Internet Service Provider -= > > phone: 909-551-7358 > web: www.speedband.com > > __________________________________________________ > Do you Yahoo!? > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > --__--__-- > > Message: 8 > From: "Elsa Chan" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "'Joel Jaeggli'" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Subject: RE: [BAWUG] Linksys Powerline Networking > Date: Mon, 20 Jan 2003 17:17:00 -0800 > Organization: Asoka USA Corporation > > Actually, most power strips don't use MOV. They use TVS (transient > voltage suppressor) that have high capacitance. So, MOV does not harm > HomePlug signals. > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Joel Jaeggli > Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 1:57 PM > To: Elsa Chan > Cc: 'Cliff Skolnick'; 'Gus Welter'; [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: RE: [BAWUG] Linksys Powerline Networking > > On Mon, 20 Jan 2003, Elsa Chan wrote: > > > Hi, > > > > Actually, it is because the power strips often have a built-in surge > > suppressor which filters out the entire signal. It is recommended that > > you don't use any power strip...instead, plug directly into the power > > outlet. > > The surge protector portion is typically an (mov) metal-oxide-vaisistor > a > device which in this case increases it's resistance as the voltage > climbs... That shouldn't have any effect on powerline networking... what > > will affect it though is that it sounds like the surge protector in > question is not a bottom of the barrel model and includes a noise/emi > filter, which will negativly affect your powerline networking. > > > > Best, > > Elsa > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Cliff Skolnick > > Sent: Monday, January 20, 2003 1:33 PM > > To: Gus Welter > > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Subject: Re: [BAWUG] Linksys Powerline Networking > > > > I've played around with it a little bit, and have had some success. > > First, just give it a try and it may work. There is no formula that I > > > have found to figure out if a link will work or not. Second, one > thing > > that seems to effect it more than you would expect is power strips. > > Using power strips seems to really kill things so I would suggest > > plugging the units directly into the wall. > > > > As for speed, I've saturated a 10mb Ethernet segment and have not had > > the chance to take it further and test on 100mb yet since I have had > no > > need. > > > > Cheers, > > Cliff > > > > > > On Monday, Jan 20, 2003, at 12:41 US/Pacific, Gus Welter wrote: > > > > > Has anyone had experience with Linksys powerline networking? Is it > > > reliable/fast/easy? > > > > > > Thanks! > > > > > > -Gus > > > > > > Gus Welter > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > c| (254) 715-2964 > > > > > > Persnickety Tim's Coffee > > > http://www.ptims.com > > > p| (254) 836-4599 > > > f | (254) 836-9203 > > > > > > For great coffee and coffee gifts, go to ptims.com! > > > > > > > > > -- > > > general wireless list, a bawug thing <http://www.bawug.org/> > > > [un]subscribe: http://lists.bawug.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > -- > > general wireless list, a bawug thing <http://www.bawug.org/> > > [un]subscribe: http://lists.bawug.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > -- > > general wireless list, a bawug thing <http://www.bawug.org/> > > [un]subscribe: http://lists.bawug.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > -- > ------------------------------------------------------------------------ > -- > Joel Jaeggli Academic User Services > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > -- PGP Key Fingerprint: 1DE9 8FCA 51FB 4195 B42A 9C32 A30D 121E > -- > In Dr. Johnson's famous dictionary patriotism is defined as the last > resort of the scoundrel. With all due respect to an enlightened but > inferior lexicographer I beg to submit that it is the first. > -- Ambrose Bierce, "The Devil's Dictionary" > > -- > general wireless list, a bawug thing <http://www.bawug.org/> > [un]subscribe: http://lists.bawug.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > --__--__-- > > Message: 9 > Subject: Re: [BAWUG] Anyone here used a GPS to position antennas? > From: Greg DesBrisay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Tim Pozar <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: Xparent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: 20 Jan 2003 20:35:10 -0800 > > On Mon, 2003-01-20 at 15:04, Tim Pozar wrote: > > On Sun, Jan 19, 2003 at 11:49:01PM -0800, Greg DesBrisay wrote: > > > Sure, I do this all the time. > > > GPS units work great (as long as you're outdoors and you're not > > > surrounded by too many tall buildings). > > > Just about any brand works fine. > > > Most of my experience has been with Garmin gear, and older Trimble gear. > > > > > > What exactly are you trying to accomplish? > > > > > > If all you want to do is determine if your link is unobstructed, then > > > eyeballing your link may be the most effective thing, given that your > > > potential link is only two miles long. > > > > > > For longer links, for links with obstructions, or for links that you > > > want to document, you can use the lat/lon measurements you get along > > > with a topographic map (or topo-map software like Topo-USA from > > > Delorme--cheap and good in my experience) to figure out if you've got > > > enough clearance over hills, etc.. (It takes a bit more work to account > > > for the height of buildings or trees along the path.) > > > > And it doesn't take into account refraction and curvature of the earth. > > That's absolutely right. You have do curvature and Fresnel-zone > clearance calculations by hand with simple topo-map software. I have a > spreadsheet handy that I use for that. There's nicer propagation > analysis software that does all that for you of course. > > Greg DesBrisay > > --__--__-- > > Message: 10 > Subject: Re: [BAWUG] Anyone here used a GPS to position antennas? > From: Greg DesBrisay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: Xparent <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: 20 Jan 2003 20:56:18 -0800 > > EN, > > OK, just about any modern hand-held GPS receiver will give you the > heading between two points (as others have described today on the BAWUG > list), just like you want. > > A word of caution: a compass is usually useless on top of a building. > The steel in buildings throws compass readings way off! > Do your best to find some sort of map so that you can identify a > landmark in the general direction that you want to point, and aim your > antenna in that direction to start (alternatively, identify a landmark > in any direction, measure the angle on the map between that landmark and > your desired link, and then use a compass solely for measuring the > relative angle between the landmark and the direction you need to point > your antenna--but not for determining the absolute heading). > > This is the procedure I use for longer links with high-gain narrow-beam > antennas, where it's hard to find the signal from the other end unless > the antennas are fairly close to proper alignment, so it might be a bit > of overkill for your one-mile link, but it never hurts to be prepared > just in case! 78^) > > Also, you'll make the job much easier if you have a pair of VHF radios, > or cell phones with hands-free microphone/earphone sets to allow you to > talk to the person who is pointing the antenna on the other end of the > link. > > Other approaches to finding the correct heading include (1) using a > mirror to reflect sunlight to the folks at the other end of the link, > and (2) using a large, colorful balloon to make the ends of the link > more visible. > > Good luck! > > Greg DesBrisay > > On Mon, 2003-01-20 at 08:21, Xparent wrote: > > Thanks Greg, > > I only have a one mile link. Clear line of sight, > > but my tech tells me that they have problems seeing > > where the other location is exactly. I thought I could > > go to the main location, set the coordinates, then go > > to the other location and do the same. Then I want the > > gps to point (even roughly) in the direction of the > > other location so I can aim the antenna. It does not > > have to be perfect, as I can then fine tune it from > > there, but this location is not in the US, so I have > > no topo maps for the gps. And local maps are not that > > great. There are no buildings or big trees between the > > two points, it is just that when you drive from one to > > the other, you are going around and around until you > > get there, and by that time, you have lost your sense > > of direction. I have not visited the site yet, but I > > want to be prepared when I get there. > > > > Thanks' > > > > En > > --- Greg DesBrisay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Sure, I do this all the time. > > > GPS units work great (as long as you're outdoors and > > > you're not > > > surrounded by too many tall buildings). > > > Just about any brand works fine. > > > Most of my experience has been with Garmin gear, and > > > older Trimble gear. > > > > > > What exactly are you trying to accomplish? > > > > > > If all you want to do is determine if your link is > > > unobstructed, then > > > eyeballing your link may be the most effective > > > thing, given that your > > > potential link is only two miles long. > > > > > > For longer links, for links with obstructions, or > > > for links that you > > > want to document, you can use the lat/lon > > > measurements you get along > > > with a topographic map (or topo-map software like > > > Topo-USA from > > > Delorme--cheap and good in my experience) to figure > > > out if you've got > > > enough clearance over hills, etc.. (It takes a bit > > > more work to account > > > for the height of buildings or trees along the > > > path.) > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > Greg DesBrisay > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > > > > > > > On Sun, 2003-01-19 at 21:51, Xparent wrote: > > > > I have a 2 mile link to connect, and I was > > > considering > > > > using a GPS to mark my location, then go to the > > > other > > > > location and have the GPS point and tell me where > > > I > > > > have been. > > > > > > > > Anyone tried this? > > > > Recommend GPS > > > > > > > > Thx > > > > EN > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up > > > now. > > > > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > > > -- > > > > general wireless list, a bawug thing > > > <http://www.bawug.org/> > > > > [un]subscribe: > > > http://lists.bawug.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > > > > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________ > > Do you Yahoo!? > > Yahoo! Mail Plus - Powerful. Affordable. Sign up now. > > http://mailplus.yahoo.com > > --__--__-- > > -- > general wireless list, a bawug thing <http://www.bawug.org/> > [un]subscribe: http://lists.bawug.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > End of wireless Digest -- general wireless list, a bawug thing <http://www.bawug.org/> [un]subscribe: http://lists.bawug.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless
