Hi Folks. I should have made this disclosure before - sorry. I am a
reporter for the SFSU xpress. I was nominated the *technology* columnist
because I have an interest in technology (I am working for O'Reilly &
Associates as a marketing manager for their conferences division, you
know the Open Source Convention, The Emerging Technology Convention,
etc.), and well, because I was the only one who knew what a weblog was
(and participated in blogging).
So my next column is going to be on wireless and I'll be damned if I
couldn't get on line in the quad at SFSU. I spoke with the IT VP, who is
a very nice man, but directed me to his fingerlings for the details.
Well the fingerlings did not want to be too helpful (the manager
wouldn't talk to me directly). So, I was left with email to Rob
Flickenger (who never emails me back) or other sources - you guys.
Thanks for all the information. Does anyone have a problem with me
referenceing the information in this thread, or accrediting your words,
e.g., "said Greg DesBrisay of ieee.org"? Does anyone have a problem with
me continuing to ask these newbie questions?
Lemme know ASAP. If I don't hear from you guys I wont use your names,
just the info.
Thanks,
M2
PS - Why haven't I called O'Reilly's Schuyler Earle yet (NoCat - Sonoma
County community wireless - I live in Petaluma)? DOH!
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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 13:07:03 -0800
Subject: [BAWUG] LEAP technology discussion
Hi Folks. I'm a relative newbie to wireless, so sorry if I break the
wietiquette. At SFSU they have a wlan that appears to be cisco driven
access points, which wont allow my orinoco mini card access to the wlan.
The campus IT department says the only cards that will work are ones
that use LEAP technology. Is there a work around for this, or am I stuck
having to buy a cisco card for my gateway pc, or buying an ibook?
Thanks,
M2
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Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 17:18:37 -0500
Subject: [BAWUG] WSD Conference
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Message: 3
Subject: Re: [BAWUG] LEAP technology discussion
From: Greg DesBrisay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: 12 Feb 2003 14:47:40 -0800
M2,
Until 802.11i is approved as an IEEE standard, everybody's security
implementations are going to be a bit different. So as far as I know,
only Cisco NICs work with Cisco APs that use Cisco's LEAP
implementation. That's supposed to change once the standard is approved
and an upgrade is expected to be available via firmware upload (for
Cisco gear that is).
Currently non-Cisco NICs can be used with Cisco APs, but only when LEAP
is turned off, or if mixed-access (LEAP and non-LEAP devices together)
is allowed (but that defeats the purpose of LEAP of course!).
Here's the status of 802.11i according to the IEEE's Standards web site
(http://standards.ieee.org/802news/802nov2002.html):
"Security Draft IEEE 802.11i Moves to Second WG Ballot
The IEEE 802.11i Task Group, working on security enhancements for IEEE
802.11, successfully resolved all comments from its recent WG Ballot.
The standard will now be forwarded for a second WG Ballot. Once
approved, it will significantly enhance the security of IEEE 802.11
wireless LANs through new encryption and authentication methods."
Regards,
Greg DesBrisay
On Wed, 2003-02-12 at 13:07, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Hi Folks. I'm a relative newbie to wireless, so sorry if I break the
> wietiquette. At SFSU they have a wlan that appears to be cisco driven
> access points, which wont allow my orinoco mini card access to the
wlan.
> The campus IT department says the only cards that will work are ones
> that use LEAP technology. Is there a work around for this, or am I
stuck
> having to buy a cisco card for my gateway pc, or buying an ibook?
>
> Thanks,
>
> M2
>
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Message: 4
From: "Support" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [BAWUG] Bandwidth shaping
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 17:05:58 -0600
Hi. I've just been looking at wireless bandwidth shaping myself. Why
would you want to go Linux when Station-Server is only $30 - $60 and
would run on the same hardware and offers internal wireless support?
I don't have a whole lot of experience with either, but I do have a SS
online with (I think) very good results. Of course, I've never had a
Linux
machine doing any wireless or bandwidth shaping to compare it to.
- Todd Chamberlain
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From: "Apollo (Carmel Entertainment)" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2003 10:57 AM
Subject: [BAWUG] Bandwidth shaping
>
>
> I did a lot of googling arround trying to find more info and more
expamples to
> configure traffic shaping on Linux RedHat8.0 server.
> Problem that I have is that neighbouring office that pays for 25% of
our
SDSL
> bill hogs 75% of bandwidth and I am using IconnectHere VoIP. I have
WAP11
> serving our floor so there is no way to traffic shape with that unit.
> With extremely tight budget I would like to find something open source
> (heavenly if it would be GUI).
> My net diagram is WAN---eth0 on server eth1--- switch ----- WAP11 -----
clients
>
> Any suggestions would be great! BTW, I am using CBQ.INIT with folowing
config,
> but it does not seem to do its job:
> DEVICE=eth1,100Mbit,10Mbit
> RATE=500Kbit
> WEIGHT=50Kbit
> PRIO=5
> RULE=:1755,192.168.100.0/24
> RULE=:554,192.168.100.0/24
> RULE=:7070,192.169.100.0/24
> RULE=:6699,192.168.100.0/24
> RULE=:6700,192.168.100.0/24
> RULE=:41000,192.168.100.0/24
> RULE=:41001,192.168.100.0/24
> RULE=:41030,192.168.100.0/24
> RULE=:1080,192.168.100.0/24
>
> DEVICE=eth0,100Mbit,10Mbit
> RATE=200Kbit
> WEIGHT=20Kbit
> PRIO=1
> RULE=,192.168.100.119
> RULE=:5060
> RULE=:20000
>
> DEVICE=eth1,100Mbit,10Mbit
> RATE=200Kbit
> WEIGHT=20Kbit
> PRIO=1
> RULE=,192.168.100.119
> RULE=:5060
> RULE=:20000
>
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 16:11:42 -0800 (PST)
From: Greg Herlein <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Support <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [BAWUG] Bandwidth shaping
> Hi. I've just been looking at wireless bandwidth shaping myself. Why
> would you want to go Linux when Station-Server is only $30 - $60 and
> would run on the same hardware and offers internal wireless support?
Uhm, opportunity to tune the image to be exactly what you want,
free, chance to see how it works, lots more flexibility in what
you can accomplish... in short, open source vs. closed source.
Greg
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Message: 6
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2003 22:28:12 -0800
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: Re: [BAWUG] LEAP technology discussion
I hope that I can add a little to conversation since I have been using
the said network for a few months.
>
> Until 802.11i is approved as an IEEE standard, everybody's security
> implementations are going to be a bit different. So as far as I know,
> only Cisco NICs work with Cisco APs that use Cisco's LEAP
> implementation. That's supposed to change once the standard is
> approved and an upgrade is expected to be available via firmware
> upload (for Cisco gear that is).
Agreed. From what I understand about the SFSU wireless implemetation,
the University level support had to choose a secure type of
authentication for their wireless network. They did not want to supply
Park Merced and the surrounding areas with free or easily breakable
wireless. There were some options available (hi Sameer!) but in the
end, the CSU has an aggresive pricing agreement with Cisco and the Cisco
product DID fit the bill. Until the industry regulates itself, there
will be compromises to be made. That said, SFSU is not even close to
the only .edu to go with Cisco's LEAP authentication. Google it and you
will see. From speaking with workers at SFSU they fully intend to
implement 802.11i once it is standardized. They wanted /A/ wireless
network and they decided to choose LEAP.
>
> Currently non-Cisco NICs can be used with Cisco APs, but only when
> LEAP is turned off, or if mixed-access (LEAP and non-LEAP devices
> together) is allowed (but that defeats the purpose of LEAP of
> course!).
>
A few cards support cisco LEAP out of the box without third party
supplicants (i havnt gotten any supplicants to work).
*Cisco 340 & 350 cards of all formats (pcmcia, pci, minipci ...)
*Xircom CWE1130-NA (these were discontinued after Intel bought Xircom)
These cards are actually relabeled Cisco 340 cards (even says it on the
card)
*3COM 3CRWE62092B cards with Xjack antennae. These support LEAP (thanks
again Jared) and have a neat retractable antenna
*Apple Airport 802.11b
*Apple Airport Extreme
*Apple Airport Base stations also support LEAP, however I have not
played with this feature.
stone
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 00:52:41 -0800
From: Sameer Verma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [BAWUG] LEAP technology discussion
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>I hope that I can add a little to conversation since I have been using
>the said network for a few months.
>
Lucky you. I will have to shell out $120 to buy "yet another WiFi card"
to satisfy the "requirements" of SFSU's network
<http://www.sfsu.edu/~helpdesk/docs/internet/wireless.html>
>
>
>>Until 802.11i is approved as an IEEE standard, everybody's security
>>implementations are going to be a bit different. So as far as I know,
>>only Cisco NICs work with Cisco APs that use Cisco's LEAP
>>implementation. That's supposed to change once the standard is
>>approved and an upgrade is expected to be available via firmware
>>upload (for Cisco gear that is).
>>
>>
>
>Agreed. From what I understand about the SFSU wireless implemetation,
>the University level support had to choose a secure type of
>authentication for their wireless network. They did not want to supply
>Park Merced and the surrounding areas with free or easily breakable
>wireless.
>
Instead, they have a network that does *not* supply most of the
student/staff/faculty with access.
>There were some options available (hi Sameer!)
>
Hi Jason :-)
>but in the
>end, the CSU has an aggresive pricing agreement with Cisco and the Cisco
>product DID fit the bill. Until the industry regulates itself, there
>will be compromises to be made.
>
It is a technological solution, but not an organizational one. It did
fit the bill, but the bill is WRONG.
>That said, SFSU is not even close to
>the only .edu to go with Cisco's LEAP authentication. Google it and you
>will see. From speaking with workers at SFSU they fully intend to
>implement 802.11i once it is standardized. They wanted /A/ wireless
>network and they decided to choose LEAP.
>
>
We'd have to wait for 802.11i to standardize. Then we'd have to wait for
ALL vendors to provide firmware upgrades. Then we'll have to wait for
ALL vendors to provide us with client side stuff. 3G (or maybe 4G) will
be here by then (2010).
>
>
>>Currently non-Cisco NICs can be used with Cisco APs, but only when
>>LEAP is turned off, or if mixed-access (LEAP and non-LEAP devices
>>together) is allowed (but that defeats the purpose of LEAP of
>>course!).
>>
>>
>>
>
>A few cards support cisco LEAP out of the box without third party
>supplicants (i havnt gotten any supplicants to work).
>*Cisco 340 & 350 cards of all formats (pcmcia, pci, minipci ...)
>*Xircom CWE1130-NA (these were discontinued after Intel bought Xircom)
>These cards are actually relabeled Cisco 340 cards (even says it on the
>card)
>*3COM 3CRWE62092B cards with Xjack antennae. These support LEAP (thanks
>again Jared) and have a neat retractable antenna
>*Apple Airport 802.11b
>*Apple Airport Extreme
>*Apple Airport Base stations also support LEAP, however I have not
>played with this feature.
>
>
The idea for an organizational solution at a university is to support
ALL cards that support Wi-Fi. A university cannot/does not dictate its
students to buy a particular brand of Wi-Fi. It is kinda like saying
"Please drive to SFSU and park there only if you drive a Yugo".
>stone
>
>
>
At least I have my own network :-)
Sameer
--
Dr. Sameer Verma, Ph.D.
Asst. Professor of Information Systems
San Francisco State University
San Francisco CA 94132 USA
http://verma.sfsu.edu/
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 06:27:20 -0800 (PST)
From: Timolthy Keithy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [BAWUG] SBC DSL, Free DNS host
Hello,
Two years ago, I did register a domain name, never
used it. Now I got the SBC DSL at home, I read some
one email mentioning with the URL link to his
homepage. I am wondering how can I register/tie my
dynamic IP to my domain name.
The company that I registered the domain name has gone
with .com era. how can I get those info and would my
domain name still working?
Thanks,
Timolthy
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Message: 9
From: "Support" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Re: [BAWUG] SBC DSL, Free DNS host
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 09:21:50 -0600
The name's registration is separate from the company
you registered it with - in other words, a .COM name
is registered in the ICANN Registry, and it shouldn't
matter who helped you register it at the time.
Now, this is assuming that the name was registered
for at least two years and hasn't expired by now, and
this is assuming that the company that helped you
register it didn't just put their information on the name
instead of yours. In short, you should be able to renew
the name and/or point the DNS servers wherever you
want them to go.
- Todd Chamberlain
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From: "Timolthy Keithy" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2003 8:27 AM
Subject: [BAWUG] SBC DSL, Free DNS host
> Hello,
> Two years ago, I did register a domain name, never
> used it. Now I got the SBC DSL at home, I read some
> one email mentioning with the URL link to his
> homepage. I am wondering how can I register/tie my
> dynamic IP to my domain name.
>
> The company that I registered the domain name has gone
> with .com era. how can I get those info and would my
> domain name still working?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Timolthy
>
> __________________________________________________
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> Yahoo! Shopping - Send Flowers for Valentine's Day
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2003 07:41:58 -0800
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: [BAWUG] LEAP technology discussion part V
On Thu, 13 Feb 2003 00:52:41 -0800
Sameer Verma <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>
> >I hope that I can add a little to conversation since I have been
> >using the said network for a few months.
> >
> Lucky you. I will have to shell out $120 to buy "yet another WiFi
> card" to satisfy the "requirements" of SFSU's network
> <http://www.sfsu.edu/~helpdesk/docs/internet/wireless.html>
No, I bought my Sony used...didnt have the luxury of purchasing a new
laptop at the time (nor would work ever supply me with one). It is too
bad that my Senao that I bought from surf n' sip doesnt work... I bought
the Cisco afterward.
> >
> >
> >>Until 802.11i is approved as an IEEE standard, everybody's security
> >>implementations are going to be a bit different. So as far as I
> >know,>only Cisco NICs work with Cisco APs that use Cisco's LEAP
> >>implementation. That's supposed to change once the standard is
> >>approved and an upgrade is expected to be available via firmware
> >>upload (for Cisco gear that is).
> >>
> >>
> >
> >Agreed. From what I understand about the SFSU wireless implemetation,
> >the University level support had to choose a secure type of
> >authentication for their wireless network. They did not want to
> >supply Park Merced and the surrounding areas with free or easily
> >breakable wireless.
> >
> Instead, they have a network that does *not* supply most of the
> student/staff/faculty with access.
As of one year ago, none of the 30,000+ students, staff and faculty had
wireless access except those that knew people with 'experimental'
networks.
>
> >There were some options available (hi Sameer!)
> >
> Hi Jason :-)
>
> >but in the
> >end, the CSU has an aggresive pricing agreement with Cisco and the
> >Cisco product DID fit the bill. Until the industry regulates itself,
> >there will be compromises to be made.
> >
> It is a technological solution, but not an organizational one. It did
> fit the bill, but the bill is WRONG.
Very strong position, but debate is good in academic institutions.
>
> >That said, SFSU is not even close to
> >the only .edu to go with Cisco's LEAP authentication. Google it and
> >you will see. From speaking with workers at SFSU they fully intend
> >to implement 802.11i once it is standardized. They wanted /A/
> >wireless network and they decided to choose LEAP.
> >
> >
> We'd have to wait for 802.11i to standardize. Then we'd have to wait
> for ALL vendors to provide firmware upgrades. Then we'll have to wait
> for ALL vendors to provide us with client side stuff. 3G (or maybe 4G)
> will be here by then (2010).
The standards for 802.11g havnt been written, but it will be hard to
find a 'b' only card in 12 months. There is a saying about those that
are early adopters to technology... they dont mind living on the
/bleeding/ edge. 802.11i products will ship well before the standards
solidify. CAT6 took for ever to ratify, the market came in with CAT5e
and CAT5e+. NO ONE in the pc or open source world even thought about
802.11b seriously when Apple/(Lucent) released their Airport sooooo many
years ago. Like USB it would have sat in the duldrums for years if it
hadnt been for Apples marketing. Apple is also smart that it knows the
education market is important. A large portion of universities that
have WiFi also use LEAP. They updated their firmware to support these
customers. Remeber that there is little difference between Airport cards
and their siblings made by Agere (or Lucent, Orinocco, or if they have
changed their name sagain let me know please ;) ). One could argue that
a lobby for secure authentication to be built in to a WiFi card would be
a more productive use of energy, but I wont argue that. Most users of
WiFi do NOT know the difference between authentication and encryption.
>
> >
> >
> >>Currently non-Cisco NICs can be used with Cisco APs, but only when
> >>LEAP is turned off, or if mixed-access (LEAP and non-LEAP devices
> >>together) is allowed (but that defeats the purpose of LEAP of
> >>course!).
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >
> >A few cards support cisco LEAP out of the box without third party
> >supplicants (i havnt gotten any supplicants to work).
> >*Cisco 340 & 350 cards of all formats (pcmcia, pci, minipci ...)
> >*Xircom CWE1130-NA (these were discontinued after Intel bought
> >Xircom) These cards are actually relabeled Cisco 340 cards (even says
> >it on the card)
> >*3COM 3CRWE62092B cards with Xjack antennae. These support LEAP
> >(thanks again Jared) and have a neat retractable antenna
> >*Apple Airport 802.11b
> >*Apple Airport Extreme
> >*Apple Airport Base stations also support LEAP, however I have not
> >played with this feature.
Forgot to mention some Dells are/were shipping with Cisco cards in them.
They disguise their relabled cards as TrueMobile so it is hard to tell
which ones are Cisco.
> >
> >
> The idea for an organizational solution at a university is to support
> ALL cards that support Wi-Fi. A university cannot/does not dictate its
>
> students to buy a particular brand of Wi-Fi. It is kinda like saying
> "Please drive to SFSU and park there only if you drive a Yugo".
Remember, the purpose of a university is to be a place of education. It
is not an ISP. WiFi is a luxury, not a form of necessary
transportation. On a campus with multiple computer labs per building
that are open to any university student, staff or faculty the argument
of /need/ is a bit weak. We both have been playing with this technology
for a while, and my biggest push is out of geeky delight. To argue that
WiFi is a necessary part of my education is a bit much. It is certainly
convienient. Now, if either of us wanted to drive our cars (which we
both have the luxury of not having to) to the campus, we would have to
/buy/ a parking permit for the day. This cost is much higher for one
semester of parking than one WiFi card is that will last 4+ years of
education. Sure, you can park a few blocks away for free, but you will
have to move your car every hour or so. Most classes are 1 hour+. Good
luck going a semester without a parking ticket. A student can go to the
lab for free computing, or they can buy a LEAP card for convienience.
Their choice (and ours).
After all is said and done however, neither of us are making the
decisions as to what to implement. Like local politics, our voice can
be heard and we can influence if organized and loud enough, but in the
case of SF-- MUNI still is not predictable or reliable.
> >
> At least I have my own network :-)
> Sameer
I believe I still have access to it after this thread, right? :)
-stone
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