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Scott - I really hate to blow the whistle on your post to Brian - but - I myself like many many dozens of others on the list - want to know - What is a Business Plan ! LOL
 
JohnnyO
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 3:41 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps (last chance tosave mylife)

Let me say it this way.  I don't want to pay for it.

Scott Reed wrote:
Some of this gets down to a very basic problem.  If you can't afford to get the proper training, what else can you not afford?  Customers do not care what you can or can not afford.  The care about the service you provide.

I would suggest going back to your business plan and reviewing the whole thing.  How much money do you have?  What do you need to get started?  What would be nice to get started?  I left out the cost of someone to climb my leased tower and it is killing the business plan.  I don't have much choice, even if I climbed, I could not afford the insurance the owner requires any more than I can afford the climber.  My point is, I can't afford the climber, but I can't afford not to hire him.  Your customer service will be terrible if you fall.  Even 20 feet and only in the hospital for a week could ruin a startup.

I do not climb, never will.  Personal thing.  So  I am not offering advice for climbing.  It is a red flag to me when someone is starting up and says "I can not afford ..."  I don't care if it is training, carrier grade equipment, or a screwdriver.  That statement says to me that the business plan is not complete.

Scott Reed
Owner
NewWays
Wireless Networking
Network Design, Installation and Administration
www.nwwnet.net

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From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
Sent: Wed, 17 Aug 2005 14:08:25 -0400
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps (last chance tosave      mylife)

> Brain,
>
> > I still believe that common sense if better than an educated idiot.
>
> I fully agree with you.  However, what you fail to realise is that if you
> consider yourself a common sense person, and you get training, you will be a
> trained common sense person.  Which is better than a common sense person
> alone. You will also fine that most trainers are not idiots.  No matter how
> much training someone is given, if they are an idiot they have no business
> climbing either.
>
> There is a reason, that people like Bob are so attimate about their advise.
> They know what you don't know.
>
> I also consider my self a common sense person, but I just made a perfect
> example of how a common sense person can make a mistake, by not taking the
> time to think of everything, which often happens when someone does not have
> a lot of expereinece to reinforce memory.   "IF you do that, you know at
> minimum, you won't fall to your death."  In reality that should have read,
> "you MAY not fall to your death.".  I forgot to ask what type of tower you
> were climbing before advising, and forgot to consider a simple basic concept
> that Bob mentioned, tie-off doesn't help if you are tied to something that
> can't withstand the force of a fall.
>
> One of the reasons, Tower Climbing advice threads are not popular is that it
> portays the messages that Climbing can be a casual do it your self thing,
> jsut like installing a WIFI AP.  But the last I heard, no one has ever been
> killed by a WIFI AP.  Tower Climbing is serious business, and shouldn't be
> done lightly.
>
> I'm was in the same position as you are, I couldn't justify paying $2000
> everytime that I needed an antenna adjusted, I had to learn more about it,
> so I could climb as an option when needed.  But there is significant risk in
> doing that.  I got the same backlash that you did on this list. The
> difference is that I took their advice, and learned more about it, before
> taking the risk.  At minimum, you should find an experienced person to go
> with you for the first climb, and its not likely that that will be free.
>
> Good luck.
>
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
>
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Brian Rohrbacher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 1:35 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps (last chance tosave
> mylife)
>
> > "IF you do that, you know at minimum, you won't fall to your death."
> >
> > I consider myself very observant.  I will also always look for any piece
> > of the tower that could be compromised.  I understand that just because it
> > still stands does not mean it is safe.  I still believe that common sense
> > if better than an educated idiot.
> >
> >
> > Tom DeReggi wrote:
> >
> >> Brian,
> >>
> >> I fully agree with George.  Only issue is that when you start young, you
> >> usually don't know what you don't know, and become over confident. So be
> >> cautious about that.  I see it way to often.  The advantage of people
> >> that start out working for someone else in a specific trade, is they
> >> learn by seeing, and don't have to figure it out blind.  For example in
> >> my case, I took a path of self employment instead of going to college.   I
> >> was making good money so I didn't think I needed the formal training.   It
> >> took 10 years into my business for me to realize what I didn't know, and
> >> how if I had that knowledge I may have been more successful in my
> >> ventures.  I am now working hard to correct those weaknesses, but I wish
> >> I did it 10 years ago.  My point is not to pass any judgement on your
> >> expertise, just advising that you recognize your weaknesses, so that you
> >> are in the position to address them, apposed to overlook them.  As far as
> >> tower climbing, I hired someone to do my first couple installs. And I
> >> made sure that I was there every single moment to watch and learn. It was
> >> invaluable to me, before climbing myself.
> >>
> >> The reality is, its near the same cost to take a course as it is to pay
> >> someone for a day to install your gear.  So thats one of the reasons the
> >> advise is to take a course, by many.  Its sorta like sky diving, its
> >> generally a good idea to have someone experienced around the first time.
> >> If you make a mistake, the penalty can be severe.
> >>
> >> But if you member two simple rules, you'll probably be OK. Always have
> >> atleast one other person around, so if you get in trouble they can call
> >> for help.  Second, use a Dual Tie-off shock zorber lanyard. One of the
> >> two clamps should be fastened to the tower at all times. When you go to
> >> move one, the other always stays fastened. Then once the first one is
> >> fastened again, you move the second one.  And of cource the other end
> >> gets attached to the BACK D-Ring.  IF you do that, you know at minimum,
> >> you won't fall to your death.
> >>
> >> Tom DeReggi
> >> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> >>
> >> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
> >>
> >> ----- Original Message ----- From: "George" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> >> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 11:21 AM
> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps (last chance to save
> >> mylife)
> >>
> >>
> >>> Brian :)
> >>> Your only 21 years old, CONGRATS!
> >>>
> >>> When I read about guys like you and Kurt , who is still in high school
> >>> and running a wisp, it makes me happy and proud of you guys that are
> >>> starting life embracing a business and making a go at it.
> >>>
> >>> So keep up the hard work, someday you'll look back on this era of your
> >>> life and understand why your a success at what ever you will be doing
> >>> then.
> >>>
> >>> I strongly believe in young people  getting involved and participating
> >>> in the business world.
> >>>
> >>> It's a sign of independence and ingenuity, which is what drives the
> >>> American way.
> >>>
> >>> Congrats again!
> >>>
> >>> George
> >>>
> >>> Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> Sure is nice to ask for advice and be insulted.  If you know so much
> >>>> about how I climb, tell me what I have done wrong.  Or start asking me
> >>>> trick questions that I'll answer wrong.  Than you may insult me.
> >>>>
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