The time to rescue is the next best thing to not having the incident
in the first place.  Any mistake on a tower is a whole world of hurt.

Lonnie

On 8/17/05, Tom DeReggi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Lonnie,
> 
> Interesting Arcticle.
> 
> First, I want to correct a previous statement. What I wrote was not what I
> meant.  When I was suggesting using the seat, I didn't mean actually sit
> down, what I meant was use the seat. I use the lanyard to attach at the seat
> side D-Rings, and lean back so my legs and straps share the weight instead
> of my arms.  In this possition it is easy to rest and regain strength.
> 
> What I didn't know, and found interesting in the arcticle posted was:
> 
> "Third, the harness keeps the worker in an upright position, regardless of
> loss of consciousness, which is what kills workers."
> 
> I never knew that. I was under the impression that if the head got cocked
> back or cocked down, that it would restrict airflow, or if person got
> inverted, blood rrush to their head and die, therefore upright was best.
> 
> But after reading that, It sounds like to me that if you go unconcious, you
> are screwed any way you rest, and really the only positive option to save a
> person is shortening the time to complete the rescue.  Any advice on the
> preferred way to hang if you are unconcious?
> 
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> 
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Lonnie Nunweiler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 2:24 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] The climb safe thread
> 
> 
> Not sure if you want to modify your advice of "tie-of and sit down on
> the harness seat, and regain your wind / strength" after you read the
> following link.  It is potentially dangerous advice if you are not
> aware of the dangers in doing so.
> 
> http://www.mikeholt.com/mojonewsarchive/Safety-HTML/HTML/Will-Your-Safety-Harness-Kill-You~20040119.htm
> 
> Lonnie
> 
> On 8/17/05, Tom DeReggi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > What are some of the alternative good training programs other than
> > Comtrain?
> >
> > My advice as a novice, is...
> >
> > Don't underestimate the strength it takes to climb to higher heights. Once
> > you realize that its to far for your physique its to late, you still have
> > the hardest part left, going back down again!  The last thing you want to
> > be
> > doing is hyperventilating at the top of a tower. Don't be afraid to tie-of
> > and sit down on the harness seat, and regain your wind / strength. When
> > you
> > climb tired, its easy to get sloppy and under estimate where you are
> > grabbing.
> >
> >  Start out with shorter height excersizes to get familiar with the process
> > and problems you will encounter.  Simple problems get complicated, when
> > you
> > need at least one of the two hands to hold on. Issues such as where do you
> > put the screws so you don't drop them, and can find them again when they
> > need to get screwed back again.  How do you keep your bucket from catching
> > on things.  What length do you need your tie-off lanyards adjusted to, to
> > be
> > comfortable.  How do you hold the antenna, and screw it on at the same
> > time,
> > and hold on?  You learn to use your tie offs optimally, and your legs.
> > Most
> > importantly DON"T go climbing alone! Have the ground people do as much
> > work
> > as possible, to save the climber's strength.
> >
> >
> > Tom DeReggi
> > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> >
> > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Brian Rohrbacher
> > To: WISPA General List
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 12:23 PM
> > Subject: [WISPA] The climb safe thread
> >
> > Maybe I can't afford training, or maybe I don't want to allocate the funds
> > for training.  Either way, there are more people out there just like me.
> > Since I was recently informed about my lack of common sense climbing, I
> > figured a thread needs to be started.
> > Everyone please post any pointers you you can think of that would benefit
> > someone who lacks common sense.
> > Anything from jumping into the back of a truck, ladder climbing, roof
> > walking, tower monkey tips, procedure, gear, weather, what to haul up
> > strapped to your back, pulleys to use, rope, ect......
> > I'm just an accident waiting to happen.  =-O
> >
> > Everyone reading this understands that the opinions about to be given are
> > just that and you should get "real" training before attempting any
> > climbing.
> >  :-P       http://www.comtrainusa.com/CoursesAvailable.htm
> >
> > G.Villarini wrote:
> > Ohhh ok, jeje!
> 
> Gino A. Villarini,
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband
> > Corp.
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> www.aeronetpr.com
> 787.767.7466
> 
> -----Original
> > Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of
> > George
> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 11:58 AM
> To: WISPA General
> > List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps (last chance
> > tosave
> mylife)
> 
> Brian is 21.
> Kurt is in high school.
> 
> Guess I mushed them
> > together :)
> 
> George
> 
> 
> G.Villarini wrote:
> 
> > 21 and high school? George, you flunked kindergarten 3 times ? :-)
> 
> Gino A.
> > Villarini,
> Aeronet Wireless Broadband
> > Corp.
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> www.aeronetpr.com
> 787.767.7466
> 
> -----Original
> > Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of
> > George
> Sent: Wednesday, August 17, 2005 11:22 AM
> To: WISPA General
> > List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Lanyard and positioning straps (last chance to
> > save
> mylife)
> 
> Brian :)
> Your only 21 years old, CONGRATS!
> 
> When I read about
> > guys like you and Kurt , who is still in high school
> and running a wisp, it
> > makes me happy and proud of you guys that are
> starting life embracing a
> > business and making a go at it.
> 
> So keep up the hard work, someday you'll
> > look back on this era of your
> life and understand why your a success at
> > what ever you will be doing
> 
> > then.
> 
> > I strongly believe in young people getting involved and participating
> in
> > the business world.
> 
> It's a sign of independence and ingenuity, which is
> > what drives the
> American way.
> 
> Congrats again!
> 
> George
> 
> Brian Rohrbacher
> > wrote:
> 
> 
> > Sure is nice to ask for advice and be insulted. If you know so much
> about
> > how I climb, tell me what I have done wrong. Or start asking me
> trick
> > questions that I'll answer wrong. Than you may insult me.
> 
> 
> >
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