I'm not that worried about other WISP competition. Generally they already do their best to find what other WISP might be in town and call for a compeitive quote before closing. Plus we general pass referrals back and forth when we can't serve someone and we know our neighbor can. When referring to losing a web client to competition, I was referring to sending them to a sight that had EVDO. Its more likely that EVDO will be deploying every where that we would also deploy as we are in a urban/suburban environment. I'd argue that ILECS would make an effort to deploy where there was a WISP apposed to avoid them. There are many reasons why someone might want to chose a WISP over EVDO or EVDO over a WISP, and I'm a firm believer in the right service for the right job. But unfortuneately, customers rarely know what they want, nor understand how to differenciate through misleading marketing material on web sites. Customer awareness is still a problem. People will buy a Verizon service over a WISP solution if they are given a choice without a chance for the WISP to help explain the differenciating features, because people believe in what they are familiar with and frequent advertising they see. I frequently refer people tht we can't serve or that do not meet our profile to EVDO services, but I don't want that to happen before we make our pitch to them, so they get a fair overview to compare. So my point still stands, I'd be a fool to steer traffic away from my site, if I had it already, to a site that offered competitor services. Just my opinion.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband

----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Kim Wireless Internet Advisor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
Sent: Friday, August 26, 2005 1:15 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] GOOGLE Maps - Marketing PROPOSAL

Team.. sorry about my long absence...
i'm back now..
Here are the reasons why i believe that linking to ONE website:
will be beneficial to all participants.

Tom, ok... why steer them away:...
1. your biz's are geo specific. so.. even if your guests went to the
map... they'd only find you again anyways...
2. If you wish... since we are the original members of this map
project.. i can restrict new wisps to ONLY add their locations IF they
are not competing with your territories.. Personally, my interest is
in mapping regions... NOT creating intraregional competition
3. chances are .. NOBODY will click on the link... just having the
words "wireless internet" is not leading ...

As for why these specific terms
"Wireless Internet" = 800,000 people /m search this in google
"wisp" = 50,000 people search for this in google per month.
So, I'd rather opt for the higher traffic front page.

As for WHY NOT burried at bottom of webpage...

ok... this is how google works... (all caps used for italics)
and for your own search marketing.. this is important to know..
remember... google is the NEW Yellow pages..

google ranks websites based on (in this order)
1) link terms -> search query matches
so... if a million websites like to your site as link: RELIABLE ->

THEN, if someone goes into google and types "RELIABLE" you're website
is likely to come up top ten. under that word... BUT... what you WANT
is to be found under a search for "wireless internet" since you're far
more likely to have a qualified lead this way.

2) Key Word Frequency
So, If you are a wisp, then in plain Html, the word "WISP" needs to be
at about 17% of the total volume of your home page...

3) Key Word Placement
Tom, this addresses your question...
google ranks sites based on NOT ONLY QUANTITY but also,
LOCATION of words... so... a word or a link at the top of the page
will get more "points"
than a link at the bottom.

I can certainly get you Google Stats...
Yahoo stats are self serve and very similar to googles.. so... just
take the number of visitors you see here:
and multiply by 20X to see how many people would see your website ...
(google gets about 20X more traffic than Yahoo for tech issues)

On 8/20/05, Brian Rohrbacher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
I understood it like this.  We all put those words on our site.  Then
google will rank those words "wireless internet" really high in hits and
send everyone to the evdo wisp site.  But if all we need is the words,
like Tom said, can I just bury them in the back where no one will see
them and go get dsl?/??

Tom DeReggi wrote:

> Tell me again why we would want to steer our prospects interested in
> our service from our website to a website that promotes our competors
> (as well as ourselves), for the hope that maybe they might come back
> to our site again afterwards?
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Robert Kim Wireless Internet
> Advisor" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "wispa" <wireless@wispa.org>
> Sent: Friday, August 19, 2005 2:30 PM
> Subject: [WISPA] GOOGLE Maps - Marketing PROPOSAL
> OK.. so the last email discloses what we've accomplished to drive
> traffic to all WISPA.org Members and my company too...
> to increase the popularity and GOOGLE traffic of this map...
> (Currently.. we have about 200-400 unique people a day who visit the
> http://evdo-coverage.com/wireless-internet-service map.)
> ... I want your help ...
> ... with your colaboration we can drive about 20,000 per day to the
> site within about 2 months
> THREE things:
> 1. Put a link on the TOP HALF of the home page of any of your websites
> (or the most linked to page of your website - to find out which it
> is.. see http://linkpopularity.com )
> <a href="http://evdo-coverage.com/wireless-internet-service";>Wireless
> Internet</a>
> WHY?
> Google places website on the top 10 of any search mainly based on
> WHICH LINK WORDS are used... so.. if you make the link from words like
> "see other wisps here..." to the map,,, then ONLY people who google
> "see other wisps here" are likely to find our wisp map.. and who's
> really gunna search for "see other wisps here"??? People mainly search
> for "wireless internet" or "wireless internet service" So.. that's why
> the code above is limited to the words "wireless internet". If you
> want, i can provide google search request starts for words like
> "wireless internet" vs. "wisp" vs "wireless dsl." I can show how much
> traffic is generated on any keyword set. lemme know if you want.
> 2. If you are a member of any other forum or list.. please add the URL
> to your signature. and talk about this map... this will also put up
> more sign posts on the internet. and by cooperating, we can get
> everyone the lion's share of the traffic found via forums, google, and
> word of mouth...
> 3. I have an open reservation for about $8000 of advertising at
> http://engadget.com. I will use all or part of that to promote the
> http://evdo-coverage.com/wireless-internet-service map. Main thing is
> that with just 2 drops of your participation, we will all end up with
> 10 gallons of traffic daily.
> Looking forward to our mutual greater success...
> Let me know what pages you linked from too...

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