John,
>do not believe we should be taking away any importance in the
governance aspect of WISPA being established as a 501c6.
I fully agree, it is excellent that WISPA had the dicipline to follow
through with the process. It valididates the organization.
Its just that that arguement couldn't be used the first full year WISPA was
in existence, so I don't like to hold that formality over Michael's head,
like Part-15 is just a get rich quick sceam. But you made your point, and I
do not contest/challenge it.
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
----- Original Message -----
From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 6:06 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPA Show Interests was: WISPCon
Actually I did not speak out of turn. I stand by my original post in all
details unless you have alternate information. I am not trying to start an
argument here but I think I spoke 100% the truth in my last post. I
welcome proof to the contrary but I did not use speculation in my post. I
stand firm in my belief that WISPA is the only recognized non-profit
organization of any 501c(x) designation in the WISP industry. I agree with
your other observations about the importance of being run by WISPs but I
do not believe we should be taking away any importance in the governance
aspect of WISPA being established as a 501c6. Being classified a 501c6 has
more to do with fair governance of the organization than it does a tax
break. Read the CFRs and check out the background of other organizations
before you counter a post from me as being false please. I was speaking
what I believe to be 100% the truth and I did it with as much objectivity
and neutral bias as I possibly could.
Scriv
Tom DeReggi wrote:
I don't know that the "for-profit" claims are accurate. WISPCON is a
"For-Profit". Last I understood, Part-15 was also a "Non-Profit". The
difference is that Part-15 is an organization where control is maintained
by an individual, the owner, Michael Anderson (and spouse?).
Appropriate, since he is the founder, primary contributor, and investor.
That does not make it a "for-Profit" organization. WISPA on the other
hand is supposed to be at least in spirit, an organization for WISPs
controlled by WISPs. How realistic that is, is not yet proven, but the
ideal is there.
So lets not forget this is not about "Profit or Not", its about control
and/or guaranteeing direction and representation.
Wether or not, Part-15 funnels business to WISPCON and vice versa, or
that one intity owns both, is irrelevent. Just as it is irrlevent that
WISPA may funnel business or offer support to WISPNOG or ISPCON, or vice
versa.
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
----- Original Message ----- From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 5:09 PM
Subject: [WISPA] WISPA Show Interests was: WISPCon
There is not a "show discount" relationship between WISPA and WISPCON.
WISPCON is not directly tied to WISPA in any way. I believe WISPCON has
a discount program through Part-15 just as WISPA has with ISPCON and
WiNOG at times in the past. There have been no discussions of offering
these discounts for WISPCON but would consider it if an opportunity were
made available to us. I believe you will continue to see options for the
discounts for WISPA members through WiNOG and ISPCON shows in the future
as long as the ownership of these organizations see this as a valuable
opportunity to help WISPA and themselves.
It should be noted that of all organizations mentioned above that WISPA
is the only one that is federally recognized under CFR # 501c6 as a
non-profit trade association.. Every other entity listed above is
working to make a profit in their efforts and as such would likely be
looking to advance individual interests over those of the industry as
a whole. WISPA is designed to promote the efforts of WISP operators over
and above all other interests. As a matter of law we cannot act to allow
one WISP to be given more consideration from the efforts of this
organization than another. This means it is truly level ground for our
efforts going forward.
This does not mean I think that a "for-profit" company cannot help the
efforts of the industry. This is far from true. I am simply explaining
the different philosophies and how one could benefit more than another
in certain situations. We are firm believers that WISPA is the
organization that most fairly represents the interests of WISPs
regarding policy issues. Other interests will develop where our industry
can share our collective efforts as we did in the Katrina/Rita effort.
WISPA will always look for different organizations that can help us
forward our efforts of better policy to help us in our industry.
Sometimes the other entities will be "for-profit" and sometimes not.
WISPA has decided at this time to not create another show to the mix of
what many would say is an "over-crowded" industry segment. We do allow
the promotion and advertisement of shows when a show owner works with us
to provide an opportunity. This could include a scenario where WISPA can
make money and further our efforts through exposure at show events by
speaking and or exhibiting..
This may be more information than you were looking for but I wanted to
make sure everyone understood the dynamics and position of WISPA in
relation to shows around the industry. I hope that helped.
Scriv
Jory Privett wrote:
WISPA
----- Original Message ----- From: "Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181"
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Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 10:57 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WISPCon
As a paid member of p15 or wispa?
Marlon
(509) 982-2181 Equipment sales
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services
42846865 (icq) And I run my own
wisp!
64.146.146.12 (net meeting)
www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam
----- Original Message ----- From: "Jory Privett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Wednesday, September 28, 2005 8:18 AM
Subject: [WISPA] WISPCon
As a WISP paid member does anyone know where I can get discount
passes to
WispCon in Dallas October 9-11?
Jory Privett
WCCS
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