I'd like to add, that US manufacturers are required by law to offer replacement parts for their products for a minimum of 10 years. Maybe it also applies to software? Its also possible that even through a bankruptcy, the liabilty to maintain that support may have been assumed when buying the product. I'm not a lawyer, but there may be some legal basis requiring Proxim to continue to provide the software to its client base. For example, software could be considered a spare part of the actual router device. I was just wondering if there has been any legal action from anyone, forcing Proxim to continue offering its product on a limited basis, apposed to them just doing it out of their own good will or experiemnt on if its profitable for them to do so.

Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Harnish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org>
Sent: Friday, December 09, 2005 2:14 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Intro/Karlnet/YDI/Terabeam/Proxim/Turbocell


I am in the understanding that we will be able to purchase licenses for
Turbocell for some time but that support and upgrades will not be available.
I will not make any statements as to how long this will last.

We currently put our CPE's together using ARC Wireless 19 dbi panels, WRAP
Boards, POE, Power Supply, Hermes II mini-pci cards, 64 Mb Compact Flash,
and a license (SV-4100-H) Total cost of these excluding labor is about $320.

We are not building new Turbocell networks!  We are only adding clients to
existing Turbocell networks and continue to build out mini-cells with
Star-OS and WRAP boards in a Hotspot format.

I don't know that you have much choice for Turbocell CPE other than build
your own.

Thanks,

Rick Harnish
President
OnlyInternet Broadband & Wireless, Inc.
260-827-2482 Office
260-307-4000 Cell
260-918-4340 VoIP
www.oibw.net
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-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mark Nash
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 9:14 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Intro/Karlnet/YDI/Terabeam/Proxim/Turbocell

Thanks Rick.. I've heard alot about these WRAP boards. Is this something we

would put together ourselves or are there products available. What are the costs like? I guess I'd really be interested in what I should be doing for
CPE going on, assuming we can still get the Turbocell licenses (see post
from Blair Davis re: Winncomm continuing to be able to sell Turbocell
licenses).

Mark Nash
Network Engineer
UnwiredOnline.Net
325 Holly Street
Junction City, OR 97448
541-998-5555
541-998-5599 fax
http://www.uwol.net
----- Original Message ----- From: "Rick Harnish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org>
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 9:25 AM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Intro/Karlnet/YDI/Terabeam/Proxim/Turbocell


Mark,

Contact me offlist as we are successfully deploying WRAP boards with
Compact
Flash loaded with Turbocell.  My pains are compounded about 4 times as I
had
about 24 Turbocell POPs when this all started.

Rick Harnish
President
OnlyInternet Broadband & Wireless, Inc.
260-827-2482 Office
260-307-4000 Cell
260-918-4340 VoIP
www.oibw.net
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-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Mark Nash
Sent: Thursday, December 08, 2005 12:01 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] Intro/Karlnet/YDI/Terabeam/Proxim/Turbocell

Hello to the list...

My name is Mark Nash and I own & operate a little WISP of about 300
customers in Oregon.

For CPE, I started out using Breezecom 2.4GHz FH radios then switched to
Karlnet RSU's loaded w/Turbocell.  Then the YDI/Terabeam/Proxim series of
mergers & acquisitions happened and I've got products from all companies
but

they are all Turbocell CPE.

We have 6 WiPops surrounding our customer base (rural southern Willamette
Valley).  We're using Trango backhauls...I started out using them simply
because of their low cost and advertised bandwidth.  I still have two in
use

from when the company was called Sunstream (I think it was 2002).  I
remain
happy about that decision.

We started out with a bridged network then ARP changed my tune and we went
to a routed design.

OK, so...there it is.  For those of you who know what's going on with
Turbocell from the new Proxim, you probably know that I'm not happy as
they
have set out to discontinue the Turbocell client software. So I will soon
have to purchase new AP's and shift some customers around because I won't
be

able to purchase Turbocell-based devices.  That's the word from Proxim.
So...anyone heard any differently?  I've also asked Proxim if we can
'downgrade' our Turbocell products to 802.11b and they are saying 'no'.

It's a you-know-what sandwich from which I'd rather not take a bite.

Does anyone feel my pain?  Any way around these issues aside from
replacing
CPE?

Regards,

Mark Nash
Network Engineer
UnwiredOnline.Net
325 Holly Street
Junction City, OR 97448
http://www.uwol.net
541-998-5555
541-998-5599 fax



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