well, reply back to me offlist I guess, since I screwed it up  :)

Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
100 pack.  How much?

Shayne Rose wrote:

Regarding Trango M900S-SU's and pricing, Please contact me directly. I can assure you that if you are buying 100+ you will pay less than $400 per SU.


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Trango Broadband
a division of Trango Systems, Inc.
15070 Ave of Science, Suite 200
San Diego, CA 92128
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-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Rick Smith
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 12:43 PM
To: 'WISPA General List'
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices

Wow, OK, I stand corrected...

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: Saturday, December 17, 2005 2:40 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices

single was $405 at maple net.

Mac Dearman wrote:

> OUCH!   I have bought singles that cheap from doubleradius
>
> Mac Dearman
> Maximum Access, LLC.
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> 318-728-9600
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>
>
>
>
> Rick Smith wrote:
>
>> 
>> Travis has gotta be full of it!
>> 
>> Distributors for Trango previously, when buying in 100 packs, never
>> got prices better than 420...
>>
>> ---------------------------------------------------------------------
>> ---
>> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] *On Behalf Of *Brian Rohrbacher
>> *Sent:* Saturday, December 17, 2005 11:08 AM
>> *To:* WISPA General List
>> *Subject:* Re: [WISPA] Canopy buying group prices
>>
>> You get Trango cheaper?  Prices please!
>>
>> Travis Johnson wrote:
>>
>>> Wow.... that's more than I pay for the Trango 900mhz and it has dual
>>> polarity integrated antennas. ;)
>>>
>>> Travis
>>> Microserv
>>>
>>> Ron Wallace wrote:
>>>
>>>> My Man.  Brian, Excellent.
>>>>
>>>> ---- Original message ----
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>>> Date: Tue, 13 Dec 2005 12:53:40 -0500
>>>>> From: Brian Rohrbacher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>  Subject: [WISPA]
>>>>> Canopy buying group prices  To: WISPA General List
>>>>> <wireless@wispa.org>
>>>>>
>>>>>  Read it and weep "nay sayers"  ;-)
>>>>>
>>>>>  I found a VAR to work with.
>>>>>
>>>>>  Prices for canopy 900.
>>>>>
>>>>>  Connectorized-  $262.60
>>>>>  Integrated-  $328.7
>>>>>
>>>>>  All details are being posted to "Principal Members List".
>>>>>  You must be a paid WISPA member to take advantage of the  offer.
>>>>>  I'd like to get an estimate of volume to the VAR.  Pay up to
>>>>> WISPA and hit me offlist to how many you think you  could use a
>>>>> month (you won't be committed to this, it's just  for a general
>>>>> idea)
>>>>>
>>>>>  Brian
>>>>>
>>>>>  Ron Wallace wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> Go for it Brian, Doesn't matter what others think, if we can save
>>>>> some money, good.
>>>>>
>>>>> Ron Wallace
>>>>>
>>>>> ---- Original message ----
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Date: Mon, 12 Dec 2005 22:58:47 -0500
>>>>> From: Brian Rohrbacher <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Subject: Re:
>>>>> [WISPA] INSURANCE NOW canopy prices To: WISPA General List
>>>>> <wireless@wispa.org>
>>>>>
>>>>> I have never done a group buy, but this is how I would approach it.
>>>>>
>>>>> First step.  Principal Members only.  You want a deal, fork over
>>>>> 200 some bucks and support the industry.
>>>>> Second step.  Find 10 people who want ten units.  (500 if
>>>>> possible,
>>>>> 
>>>>> but
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> prolly 100 pack to start)
>>>>> Third step.  Go to moto website and look up resellers.
>>>>> fourth step.  Call resellers and get quote.  Say "look here.  I
>>>>> have a buying group.  I want 100 SMs, charged to 10 credit cards
>>>>> and shipped
>>>>> 
>>>>> to
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> 10 addresses.  Send me a quote to email"  Forward quote to next
>>>>> 
>>>>> reseller
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> and go from there.  Whoever is cheaper wins.  If they want the
>>>>> 
>>>>> business
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> of the buying group, they better figure out how to cut a deal.  Am
>>>>> I acting like a know it all Charles?  Would all the resellers say
>>>>> screw you if I approached like this?
>>>>> If all resellers say we can't do this.....then I would (big trust
>>>>> 
>>>>> here)
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> run all cards through paypal and pay with one lump sum and re ship
>>>>> 
>>>>> from
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> here.  Now add the 1.9% for paypal and add more for extra
>>>>> shipping....don't know what that would be, but it would be figured
>>>>> before hand.
>>>>>
>>>>> I just made all that up, but it seems like it would work.  Only
>>>>> 
>>>>> question
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> is how warranty is handled.  By MAC addy or by who bought the radio.
>>>>>
>>>>> Someone let me know if my approach is out of line.  Never done
>>>>> this
>>>>> 
>>>>> and
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> might be reinventing the wheel (I hope it rolls)
>>>>>
>>>>> Brian
>>>>>
>>>>> A. Huppenthal wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>> Charles,
>>>>>
>>>>> I know you don't support the idea of group buys. Enough said. Fact
>>>>>   
>>>>> is
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I've done group buys with high-end equipment before - it wasn't
>>>>> difficult at all. If you are comparing a public distributor to a
>>>>> closed membership buying club, you aren't comparing apples to
>>>>>   
>>>>> apples.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> I sure as hell don't want to create a distributor organization.
>>>>>
>>>>> However, as our discussion continues, I might be willing to send
>>>>>   
>>>>> Jim,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> George, Brian or whomever offers a group buy $2600 for 10 Canopy
>>>>> SMs if the buy is 100 units and we're all lined up. I don't need
>>>>>   
>>>>> support,
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> training, stocking, any of the services that distributors offer.
>>>>> Frankly, I don't need my distributor under cutting me to sell
>>>>> direct to customers. You have your pros and cons for going to
>>>>> distributors for *everything*. Certainly what's being discussed
>>>>> here isn't pretending to create a distributor that has *everything*..
>>>>>
>>>>> Frankly I think the board with the exception of myself, uniformly
>>>>> doesn't support group buys.
>>>>>
>>>>> The buyers create the relatonship for the purpose of the buy, it
>>>>>   
>>>>> ends
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> when the product is delivered.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Charles Wu wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>   
>>>>> <snip>
>>>>> You would think it would work that way, but Volume Buying ends up
>>>>> eating the organization and the organization becomes caught up in
>>>>> being a volume club.
>>>>> </snip>
>>>>>
>>>>> We all know that there's more to a WISP than just putting up an AP
>>>>>     
>>>>> and
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> getting a T1 line
>>>>>
>>>>> Having run both a WISP and a distribution company, I can
>>>>> personally attest to the fact that there's more to distribution
>>>>> (which is what your
>>>>> proposing)
>>>>> than breaking up a 500 pack amongst WISP
>>>>>
>>>>> Have you considered all the risks / implications that the buying
>>>>>     
>>>>> group
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> faces? For starters, there's the question of payment -- given that
>>>>>     
>>>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> buying group has no / limited credit, chances are that any vendor
>>>>>     
>>>>> will
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> require cash up front for the purchase
>>>>>
>>>>> So, for example, say Motorola Canopy is the product WISPA chooses
>>>>> Then WISPA / Buying Group needs to come up w/ $100k to purchase
>>>>>     
>>>>> that 500
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> pack (at say, $200 / unit for simplicity's sake) Then, WISPA /
>>>>> Buying Group needs to come up w/ a warehouse to store stuff Then,
>>>>> WISPA / Buying Group needs to come up w/ a shipper/logistics guy
>>>>> to repackage / ship stuff
>>>>>
>>>>> On top of that, chances are, 50% of the WISPs who committed to
>>>>> purchasing the packs will renege and/or delay their deliveries due
>>>>> to
>>>>>     
>>>>> unforseen
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> things
>>>>> that always happen in deployments (e.g.,  lightning, customers
>>>>>     
>>>>> don't
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> sign
>>>>> on, interference from competitor, DSL coming to town)
>>>>>
>>>>> So now, WISPA / Buying Group needs to hire a sales guy to sell
>>>>>     
>>>>> excess
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> units
>>>>>
>>>>> Now, you've added overhead (and you need to add an administrative
>>>>>     
>>>>> fee /
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> margin to compensate)
>>>>>
>>>>> In the meantime, either
>>>>>
>>>>> 1. Motorola to announce a 50% price reduction in their Canopy
>>>>> line, and all WISPA members now wanting the new lower price
>>>>> (therefore causing a
>>>>>     
>>>>> huge
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> loss)
>>>>> 2. Trango (or some other company) to come out w/ the new "flavor
>>>>> of
>>>>>     
>>>>> the
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> month" and no one wanting the inventory anymore, sticking WISPA w/
>>>>>     
>>>>> $100k
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> worth of boat anchors
>>>>>
>>>>> -Charles
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -------------------------------------------
>>>>> CWLab
>>>>> Technology Architects
>>>>> http://www.cwlab.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>     
>>>>> --
>>>>> Brian Rohrbacher
>>>>> Reliable Internet, LLC
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>>>>>
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>>>>>
>>>>>
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>>>>
>>>> Ron Wallace
>>>> Hahnron, Inc.
>>>> 220 S. Jackson St.
>>>> Addison, MI 49220
>>>>
>>>> Phone:  (517) 547-8410
>>>> Mobile:  (517) 605-4542
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