For all of you guys looking at fiber. Be VERY careful.
We've got it out here. Basically a municipal network, many of them in the
state already. Many years old.
It's normally several orders of magnitude more expensive than it's ever made
out to be.
Just the labor and digging up streets will bust many a budget.
When digging up the roads conduit should certainly be laid to get ready for
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----- Original Message -----
From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" <email@example.com>
Sent: Thursday, December 22, 2005 8:35 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Good Backhaul?
I am seeing a future that is very much a mix of fiber, coax, wireless and
twisted pair. Somewhat like it is now. I think we will see some ultra-high
bandwidth roll-outs over all mediums that dwarf what we see in most
situations today. I do see an emerging gravitation toward fiber / wireless
as the predominant technologies for broadband deployment. We live in a time
when the promise of $500 - 1.25 Gbps radios is not too far off. I am not
talking about junk spectrum here. I am talking about licensed 70 to 90 Ghz
millimeter-wave technology. These are licenses we can all get easily.
I was talking to Jack Rickard not long ago about this technology and its
impact going forward. I did not understand the advantages of moving the
semiconductor platform for these millimeter-wave radios from SiGe (Silicon
Germanium) to CMOS (Complementary Metal Oxide Semiconductor) that I had
heard others touting as the next big move in this budding industry. Jack
explained it to me as only he can. He said, "Shit John, it's like the
difference between building chips out of diamonds or rusty nails.". It is
an economic advantage obviously when it is put like that. I wish you guys
could have been on that call. It was a trip.
Anyway, I think there are some places where any one technology platform is
the best choice and I think the delivery technologies are all continuing
to mature and advance. Prices continue to fall and performance continues
to increase in DSLAMs, Fiber Systems, Wireless Radio Technology, DOCSIS,
etc. I see no reason to think there is a dead technology in the lot. I
simply think that some will prove to be better in some applications than
others. I do think that fiber is going to be a clear winner in the numbers
game of which technology serves the highest number of bits in and out.
That said I do not think people can fathom how much data will be
"airborne" within the next few years.
I have two "airborne" DS3 links on their way to me today. I believe these
may last three years in their placement before being edged outward in the
network. This is how my network grows. It parallels someone else's post
here recently.Very little of my network is ever "Dead" technology. It
simply gets re-allocated to the outermost edges of the network to lower
demand areas as needs increase and change. When I outgrow the DS3 radio at
my main tower then I am sure there will be $500 1.25 Gbps radios ready to
put in their place. It is just the natural progression of the cycle of
technology it seems to me.
Let's just hope Uncle Sam does not screw things up too much under the new
FCC leadership which seem to want to thwart the efforts of a growing and
thriving industry. If any of you believe we have a "WISP friendly" FCC
right now then I assure you that the facts do not support it. Do not wring
your hands in fear though. As long as we can all work together as a group
we will fight the battles for policy and law for this industry. I do not
plan to sit idly by and let others put up barriers to opportunities. I
plan to help make policy and law work for a balanced and fair framework we
can all work within.
WISPs are now officially very much on the radar. We have made an
impression. Now Goliath is scared. Congratulations WISPs. You are
officially important enough to be feared and controversial. In the FCC
right now the term "WISP" is well known and understood from a policy
standpoint. The term "WISP" is being used in policy hearings, legal
debates, rulemakings, etc. We are officially a real industry. Now we just
have to start handling this industry instead letting others handle it for
us. If you are not already involved then it is time for you to pay up,
show up or shut up. Pick your path. There is work to do.
PS. You would think I would lighten up at Christmas time! Sorry so deep
today guys! :-)
Money wise you may be right, not sure of the entire situation that john
is involved with.
But the focus today is on fiber. And how the community you serve
perceives your company is very important.
We talked about fiber in 2001 and today people still ask us when the
fiber is going to be deployed.
Lately our City has been doing telecommunications studies and fiber is
the key word.
Everyone who studies the future of broadband and connectivity comes to
the conclusion that fiber is the technology that has the most potential
in terms of potential to keep up with and surpass any thing that comes
down the pike.
When everyone was copper a lot of us isps were pioneering wireless, now
that wireless is the hot topic, we need to keep our minds open on what is
available to deploy and fiber is the other option.
In Johns case, which is similar to mine, Charter is rolling out fiber
They are leap frogging ahead.
Charter and Telco is our competition and we have to consider our future
when considering what we deploy today and what our long term investments
I believe our initial fiber deployment is the biggest hurdle.
I myself am working towards a fiber build out to jump ahead of what is
coming down the pike.
I am not saying the end of wireless is in sight, I am saying we need to
mature our networks to what the future demands will require.
Brian Rohrbacher wrote:
Agreed, but if you can do it for 2 grand why spend 12? If the ebay
radios are reliable, then skip the fiber in my opinion. Might as well
take the 10 grand that is left over and install another 25 subs. ;)
I do not believe you laying fiber is at all a bad sign to your
You have been on the cutting edge of technology with wireless, why
would you not do the fiber to continue on with your cutting edge
It almost sounds like you believe wireless is better than fiber, but we
all know fiber/wireless is the end game.
If you are fiber and wireless, you are the cutting edge leader.
John Scrivner wrote:
I need some feedback from the collective. I am looking for a backhaul
radio link for my main tower. 5.8 Ghz is fully utilized at this
location. It is only a 1500 foot shot. I would like at least 50 meg
full or 100 meg half duplex. I would like this solution to be under
$8K or so. 5.3 Ghz is pretty open here. Does a solution exist? I can
lay fiber for about $12K or so. I am considering doing that but I
think laying fiber for my main connection when I am a fixed broadband
wireless provider sends the wrong message to my potential customers
when Charter is going all over town selling fiber connections. I
welcome your feedback.
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