Good quesion

Kurt Fankhauser
WAVELINC
114 S. Walnut St.
Bucyrus, OH 44820
419-562-6405
www.wavelinc.com


-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher
Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 8:18 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Virtual AP

How can I avoid my competition doing this to me?  Hide SSID and change 
it every so often?

Tom DeReggi wrote:

> I have to agree with John. I can't see the benefit of resorting to 
> those type of poor neighbor policies. First off, I'd be embaressed to 
> admit it openly on the list. Second you are borderlining on legality. 
> You just provided evidence that you purposely attempt to degrade 
> another businesses ability to do business, where you'd likely lose now

> in a suit for tortuous interference (or what ever that is called), if 
> ever taken up against you. Secondly, anything you do to them, 
> ultimately can be done back to you, if they get work of your tactics.
>
> Its been proven many time over, that friendly neighbor policies far 
> better mutually benefit WISPs.  I'd advise re-tinking your strategy.
>
> At minimum, if the goal was to get your competitors's clients to 
> associate to you, the las tthing you'd want to point out to them is 
> that your network would be vulnerable to the same tactics that your 
> neighbor was. You expose the flaws in Wifi, and you ALSO provide wifi.

> If you insisted on tactics to steal their association, you'd be much 
> better off, having their clients connect to you, and then you pass 
> them to your captive portal signup page, with a splash page for better

> rates and/or performance options, with an option to continue at low 
> bandwdith.  The last thing you want to do is play Thug tactics, (sorta

> like mafia protection money), stating we are the ones destroying your 
> ability to use the Internet, pay us, or don't communicate at all. No 
> one wants to buy service from someone that they've developed animosity

> towards.
>
> Tom DeReggi
> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
>
> ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 12:27 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Virtual AP
>
>
>> Short of frustrating potential customers I cannot fathom what 
>> positive effect this process has. Please enlighten me how this is a 
>> good thing to do.
>> Scriv
>>
>>
>> Kurt Fankhauser wrote:
>>
>>> I do that too, 3 competitors have towers all within ¼ mile of each 
>>> other, I put their ssid in my AP but turn the broadcast off, their 
>>> clients associate to me and I deny all their access so when they try

>>> to hook up customers it looks like their connected but they cant 
>>> figure out why it doesn’t work, keeps them from signing up clients 
>>> in my area.
>>>
>>> Kurt Fankhauser
>>>
>>> WAVELINC
>>>
>>> 114 S. Walnut St.
>>>
>>> Bucyrus, OH 44820
>>>
>>> 419-562-6405
>>>
>>> www.wavelinc.com
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Rick Smith
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 27, 2005 8:12 AM
>>> *To:* 'WISPA General List'
>>> *Subject:* RE: [WISPA] Virtual AP
>>>
>>> actually, I was kidding about the competitor thing, wanted to see if

>>> it'd start a fire. It's something I'd thought of, but you can't 
>>> route based on Virtual AP SSID
>>>
>>> Having an invididual hotspot page per virtual SSID would be cool, on

>>> a wholesale level...
>>>
>>>
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>>>
>>>
>>> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
>>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Scott Reed
>>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 27, 2005 10:44 AM
>>> *To:* WISPA General List
>>> *Subject:* RE: [WISPA] Virtual AP
>>>
>>> What happens when a potential customer sees the competition's name? 
>>> They call the competitor who says, "We don't do that." Then what, do

>>> you get called by the competitor?
>>> I guess my question is, how does advertising the competitor's name 
>>> help you?
>>>
>>> I like the wholesale idea though. I may have to pursue that in the 
>>> future.
>>>
>>> Scott Reed
>>> Owner
>>> NewWays
>>> Wireless Networking
>>> Network Design, Installation and Administration
>>> www.nwwnet.net <http://www.nwwnet.net/>
>>>
>>> The season is Christmas, not X-mas, not the holiday, but Christmas, 
>>> because
>>> Christ was born to provide salvation to all who will believe!
>>>
>>> *---------- Original Message -----------*
>>> From: Rick Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org>
>>> Sent: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 10:15:08 -0500
>>> Subject: RE: [WISPA] Virtual AP
>>>
>>>> Yep, I create virtual SSIDs for all my competitors names (they only
>>>
>>> do DSL) :)
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I also wholesale service off one of my towers via 2.4 and 900 mhz
to
>>>
>>> a local computer guy that likes to see his name "in the air" -
>>>
>>>> the virtual SSID thing was a natural win...
>>>>
>>>> Not sure about the broadcast thing...haven't seen a performance hit
>>>
>>> because of the virtual ssid's ...
>>>
>>>> R
>>>>
>>>> -----Original Message-----
>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>>
>>> On Behalf Of Pete Davis
>>>
>>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 9:57 AM
>>>> To: WISPA General List
>>>> Subject: [WISPA] Virtual AP
>>>>
>>>> Mikrotik APs have the capability to create a "Virtual AP" with a
>>>
>>> secondary SSID, but I haven't found much documentation about it.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Has anyone used this feature much? I could see this being useful
>>>
>>> during a transitional period, while you are changing the SSID, so
>>>
>>>> you can access the CPE with the "old" ssid.
>>>> I could also see this being useful for colocating two companies on
>>>
>>> the same tower/AP, like if you have an ISP geared toward
>>>
>>>> residential service, and another company name/marketing scheme for
>>>
>>> business customers.
>>>
>>>> I don't know what kind of performance impact there is when you
create
>>>
>>> a bunch of APs on one radio.
>>>
>>>>
>>>> I had a wierd thought about this, however: If I have 40 clients on
an
>>>
>>> AP, and set up 40 "virtual AP's" on the network with each
>>>
>>>> client on his own SSID, do they count as 40 PTP links, allowing me
to
>>>
>>> kick up the antenna gain like with the CPE?
>>>
>>>>
>>>> Does the virtual AP really broadcast a secondary SSID, or does it
>>>
>>> switch between the two rapidly, kind of like a poor man's Time
>>>
>>>> Division Multiplexing.
>>>>
>>>> Pete Davis
>>>> NoDial.net
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