Good quesion Kurt Fankhauser WAVELINC 114 S. Walnut St. Bucyrus, OH 44820 419-562-6405 www.wavelinc.com
-----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Brian Rohrbacher Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 8:18 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Virtual AP How can I avoid my competition doing this to me? Hide SSID and change it every so often? Tom DeReggi wrote: > I have to agree with John. I can't see the benefit of resorting to > those type of poor neighbor policies. First off, I'd be embaressed to > admit it openly on the list. Second you are borderlining on legality. > You just provided evidence that you purposely attempt to degrade > another businesses ability to do business, where you'd likely lose now > in a suit for tortuous interference (or what ever that is called), if > ever taken up against you. Secondly, anything you do to them, > ultimately can be done back to you, if they get work of your tactics. > > Its been proven many time over, that friendly neighbor policies far > better mutually benefit WISPs. I'd advise re-tinking your strategy. > > At minimum, if the goal was to get your competitors's clients to > associate to you, the las tthing you'd want to point out to them is > that your network would be vulnerable to the same tactics that your > neighbor was. You expose the flaws in Wifi, and you ALSO provide wifi. > If you insisted on tactics to steal their association, you'd be much > better off, having their clients connect to you, and then you pass > them to your captive portal signup page, with a splash page for better > rates and/or performance options, with an option to continue at low > bandwdith. The last thing you want to do is play Thug tactics, (sorta > like mafia protection money), stating we are the ones destroying your > ability to use the Internet, pay us, or don't communicate at all. No > one wants to buy service from someone that they've developed animosity > towards. > > Tom DeReggi > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > ----- Original Message ----- From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> > Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 12:27 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Virtual AP > > >> Short of frustrating potential customers I cannot fathom what >> positive effect this process has. Please enlighten me how this is a >> good thing to do. >> Scriv >> >> >> Kurt Fankhauser wrote: >> >>> I do that too, 3 competitors have towers all within ¼ mile of each >>> other, I put their ssid in my AP but turn the broadcast off, their >>> clients associate to me and I deny all their access so when they try >>> to hook up customers it looks like their connected but they cant >>> figure out why it doesnt work, keeps them from signing up clients >>> in my area. >>> >>> Kurt Fankhauser >>> >>> WAVELINC >>> >>> 114 S. Walnut St. >>> >>> Bucyrus, OH 44820 >>> >>> 419-562-6405 >>> >>> www.wavelinc.com >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Rick Smith >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 27, 2005 8:12 AM >>> *To:* 'WISPA General List' >>> *Subject:* RE: [WISPA] Virtual AP >>> >>> actually, I was kidding about the competitor thing, wanted to see if >>> it'd start a fire. It's something I'd thought of, but you can't >>> route based on Virtual AP SSID >>> >>> Having an invididual hotspot page per virtual SSID would be cool, on >>> a wholesale level... >>> >>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> >>> >>> *From:* [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *On Behalf Of *Scott Reed >>> *Sent:* Tuesday, December 27, 2005 10:44 AM >>> *To:* WISPA General List >>> *Subject:* RE: [WISPA] Virtual AP >>> >>> What happens when a potential customer sees the competition's name? >>> They call the competitor who says, "We don't do that." Then what, do >>> you get called by the competitor? >>> I guess my question is, how does advertising the competitor's name >>> help you? >>> >>> I like the wholesale idea though. I may have to pursue that in the >>> future. >>> >>> Scott Reed >>> Owner >>> NewWays >>> Wireless Networking >>> Network Design, Installation and Administration >>> www.nwwnet.net <http://www.nwwnet.net/> >>> >>> The season is Christmas, not X-mas, not the holiday, but Christmas, >>> because >>> Christ was born to provide salvation to all who will believe! >>> >>> *---------- Original Message -----------* >>> From: Rick Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "'WISPA General List'" <[email protected]> >>> Sent: Tue, 27 Dec 2005 10:15:08 -0500 >>> Subject: RE: [WISPA] Virtual AP >>> >>>> Yep, I create virtual SSIDs for all my competitors names (they only >>> >>> do DSL) :) >>> >>>> >>>> I also wholesale service off one of my towers via 2.4 and 900 mhz to >>> >>> a local computer guy that likes to see his name "in the air" - >>> >>>> the virtual SSID thing was a natural win... >>>> >>>> Not sure about the broadcast thing...haven't seen a performance hit >>> >>> because of the virtual ssid's ... >>> >>>> R >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >>> On Behalf Of Pete Davis >>> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, December 27, 2005 9:57 AM >>>> To: WISPA General List >>>> Subject: [WISPA] Virtual AP >>>> >>>> Mikrotik APs have the capability to create a "Virtual AP" with a >>> >>> secondary SSID, but I haven't found much documentation about it. >>> >>>> >>>> Has anyone used this feature much? I could see this being useful >>> >>> during a transitional period, while you are changing the SSID, so >>> >>>> you can access the CPE with the "old" ssid. >>>> I could also see this being useful for colocating two companies on >>> >>> the same tower/AP, like if you have an ISP geared toward >>> >>>> residential service, and another company name/marketing scheme for >>> >>> business customers. >>> >>>> I don't know what kind of performance impact there is when you create >>> >>> a bunch of APs on one radio. >>> >>>> >>>> I had a wierd thought about this, however: If I have 40 clients on an >>> >>> AP, and set up 40 "virtual AP's" on the network with each >>> >>>> client on his own SSID, do they count as 40 PTP links, allowing me to >>> >>> kick up the antenna gain like with the CPE? >>> >>>> >>>> Does the virtual AP really broadcast a secondary SSID, or does it >>> >>> switch between the two rapidly, kind of like a poor man's Time >>> >>>> Division Multiplexing. >>>> >>>> Pete Davis >>>> NoDial.net >>>> -- >>>> WISPA Wireless List: [email protected] >>>> >>>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>>> >>>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>>> >>>> -- >>>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>>> Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.7/214 - Release Date: >>> >>> 12/23/2005 >>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> No virus found in this outgoing message. >>>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>>> Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.7/214 - Release Date: >>> >>> 12/23/2005 >>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> WISPA Wireless List: [email protected] >>>> >>>> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >>>> http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless >>>> >>>> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ >>> >>> *------- End of Original Message -------* >>> >>> -- >>> No virus found in this incoming message. >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition. >>> Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: 267.14.7/214 - Release Date: >>> 12/23/2005 >>> >>> >>> -- >>> No virus found in this outgoing message. >>> Checked by AVG Free Edition >> Version: 7.1.371 / Virus Database: >>> 267.14.7/214 - Release Date: 12/23/2005 >>> >> -- >> WISPA Wireless List: [email protected] >> >> Subscribe/Unsubscribe: >> http://lists.wispa.org/ma > > . > an/listinfo/wireless > >> >> Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > -- Brian Rohrbacher Reliable Internet, LLC www.reliableinter.net Cell 269-838-8338 "Caught up in the Air" 1 Thess. 4:17 -- WISPA Wireless List: [email protected] Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. 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