True but a NOTICIABLE difference between those operators and most members of the list is funding
Those operators (e.g., AOL, AT&T, XO, etc) have large discretionary R&D budgets in which there is no direct fiscal accountability (e.g., if it doesn't work, oh well) So, say the operator deploys Aperto/Alvarion/Motorola/Trango/whatever for 500 users -- if after the experimental license is over with, and they decide not to pursue this avenue, the gear will just go sit on the shelf and they'll move on to their next project / technology I doubt very many on these lists have $100+k or so of "discretionary R&D budgets" to throw around -Charles ------------------------------------------- WiNOG Austin, TX March 13-15, 2006 http://www.winog.com -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeffrey Thomas Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 2:41 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL as a PtMP Platform There are operators who applied for say, an experimental license with 500 subscribers "testing" the RF portion of the service. It is a risk, but since that spectrum is slated to be unlicensed, I doubt the risk is too great. - Jeff On Jan 5, 2006, at 12:17 PM, Charles Wu wrote: > Yes -- experimental licenses have been available for quite some > time now -- > we have one =) > But if you read the FCC rules closely -- there are A LOT of > limitations, and > no, running a business off such a license is a BAD IDEA > > -Charles > > > ------------------------------------------- > WiNOG Austin, TX > March 13-15, 2006 > http://www.winog.com > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- > [EMAIL PROTECTED] On > Behalf Of Matt Liotta > Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 2:13 PM > To: WISPA General List > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL as a PtMP Platform > > > This has been discussed in depth on the private WISPA list. The FCC is > giving 3.65Ghz licenses for experimental purposes, which you can > use to > provide customers with service. However, it may not be a wise business > decision to rely on experimental spectrum, which can go away at any > time. > > -Matt > > Charles Wu wrote: > >> Hi Matt, >> >> Can you please shed some light on your 3.65 GHz license? >> >> To my knowledge (and we work with the FCC on licensing almost on a >> daily >> basis) -- 3.65 GHz is not yet legally licensable for commercial >> common >> carrier applications >> >> -Charles >> >> ------------------------------------------- >> WiNOG Austin, TX >> March 13-15, 2006 >> http://www.winog.com >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:wireless- >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] On >> Behalf Of Matt Liotta >> Sent: Thursday, January 05, 2006 8:44 AM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL as a PtMP Platform >> >> >> Is there any vendor besides Aperto that has product that will work >> with >> our 3.65Ghz license? >> >> -Matt >> >> Brad Larson wrote: >> >> >> >>> Jeff, LOL. Be careful who you're listening to. Like I said, there is >>> allot of total BS out there being spread by certain >>> people/manufacturer's. There are several waves of certifications >>> coming. Just because we didn't show up for the first wave doesn't >>> mean >>> we don't have a product. When the others get caught up Alvarion >>> will be >>> there for the real test phases. Brad >>> >>> http://www.techworld.com/mobility/features/index.cfm?featureID=2021 >>> http://www.alvarion-usa.com/presscenter/pressreleases/2109/ >>> http://www.alvarion-usa.com/presscenter/pressreleases/ >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: jeffrey thomas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 8:50 PM >>> To: WISPA General List; 'WISPA General List' >>> Subject: RE: [WISPA] Alvarion VL as a PtMP Platform >>> >>> >>> >>> 3.5 / 2.5 / 5.8 >>> >>> Alvarion I believe from what I heard was waiting for the QOS >>> revision >>> to be agreed on. >>> >>> - >>> >>> Jeff >>> >>> >>> On Wed, 4 Jan 2006 17:34:42 -0800 , "Brad Larson" >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>> Jeff, In what Frequency? There is allot of BS out there in the >>>> first >>>> wave of testing for those that have yet to get a product to >>>> market. We >>>> can discuss >>>> if you would like? Brad >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -----Original Message----- >>>> From: jeffrey thomas [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 8:29 PM >>>> To: WISPA General List; WISPA General List >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Alvarion VL as a PtMP Platform >>>> >>>> >>>> The only product on the market today that will have backwards >>>> compatibility to wimax where a cpe can talk to a wimax base >>>> station is >>>> Aperto. Additionally, >>>> Alvarion will not be one of the first round products certified for >>>> wimax, >>>> Airspan and Aperto however, will be. >>>> >>>> - >>>> >>>> Jeff >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> On Wed, 04 Jan 2006 15:22:30 -0600, "John Scrivner" >>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> said: >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>> Is there a firmware upgrade path for WiMAX through the VL product >>>>> line or is it a hardware change? Feel free to have someone contact >>>>> me offlist >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>> for pricing information. I have a need for a PtMP system with more >>>>> capacity than I have now with my current system. I do not know of >>>>> many systems that meet the specs you list here and I already know >>>>> many people >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>> are quite fond of the product. >>>>> >>>>> Maybe this time the price won't drive me away as has been the case >>>>> in the past. Please do not take that as a slam. It is not. I know >>>>> the quality is there and it is a matter of economics for me only >>>>> that has ever kept me away from Alvarion products. You guys build >>>>> good stuff and in some markets the price is easily recovered >>>>> through >>>>> ROI. Thanks, Scriv >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Brad Larson wrote: >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> John, Typically 4 sector base stations are built with either >>>>>> 5.3 or >>>>>> a licensed link as backhaul. With BreezeAccess VL, true data >>>>>> sector >>>>>> performance is 28 meg's in a 20 Mhz channel and half that in >>>>>> 10 Mhz >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>> Next >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>>> firmware release is going to mid 30's in a 20 Mhz channel (again >>>>>> true >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> data >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> rates). I know of one sector that has 200 sub's attached although >>>>>> most sectors have less than 100. This customer looked at most >>>>>> manufacturer's >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> gear >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> and concluded Alvarion had the management feature sets, ease of >>>>>> batch processing for firmware uploads, obstructed NLOS for their >>>>>> application, >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> and >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> a host of other likes including Alvarion's support >>>>>> infrastructure. >>>>>> >>>>>> To be honest I don't think we have many Alvarion Operators that >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>> subscribe >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>>> here but that doesn't mean there aren't a crap load of them out >>>>>> there >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> which >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> should be obviuos to everyone. Typically our Operators use >>>>>> Alvarion >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> support >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> Application Engineers and Alvarion web servers such as Mike >>>>>> Cowan's >>>>>> at >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>> ACC >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>>>> when needed. >>>>>> >>>>>> This could end up being a long dialog about the differences in >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>> operators, >>> >>> >>> >>> >>>>>> products, and ROI models but I won't go there. 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