In our case, the most expense part of our VoIP deployment was getting
our network ready to support it correctly. Whether the backend is
outsourced doesn't affect the requirement to support end-to-end QoS.
Therefore, I believe that you should either get in all the way or not at
The worst thing in the world you could do is bundle a 3rd party service
that doesn't work very well and then because it is outsourced not be
able to fix it.
Tom DeReggi wrote:
I agree with you on most of your comments.
However, there is more to it.
Offering VOIP is not just about making money on it. Its about
controlling who has access to your subscribers, if one does not have
the time to be a VOIP provider themselves.
Bundling is a necessarily part of succeeding going in to the future.
Its more important that ever to outsource VOIP, if it will likely
never be a profitable business. let someone else loose the money, and
reap the rewards of bundling today. Give the companies access to your
clients that will be the lowest threat.
What benefit is it to allow, Vonage, ATT, Comcast, Verizon access to
your client base, by allowing your subscribers to choose their VOIP
So Matt, I agree if the ISP/WISP intends to make significant money on
the service, build your own. But don't knock the Primus/CommPartner
models, they have their purpose and will enable many WISPs/ISPs to
have an option to offer, that don;t have the resources to build their
What this industry needs to recognize is that there are industry
trends that are going to gain market share, because consumers demand
them and are willing to buy. They don't care who makes or looses
money, they jsut know how to compare retail price they pay to the
quality the receive. JUst like Muni broadband, its a reality of
something that is going to happen. So my point is, pick the companies
that you want to help succeed, and which ones you want to help NOT
succeed, because some of them ARE going to succeed.
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
----- Original Message ----- From: "Matt Liotta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
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Sent: Monday, March 06, 2006 1:09 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP/PBX Gateway appliance
Primus/Lingo is calling every WISP in the country trying to sign them
up for a very CommPartners like deal. All of these VoIP providers are
using the same shitty model that will be worthless in 2 years time.
There is no money to be made in VoIP short-term unless you operate
your own equipment. Long-term, there is no money to be made in VoIP
at all. VoIP will soon be a loss leader; plan for it or do get into
the VoIP business.
BTW, Primus makes all their money on international termination. The
domestic stuff is losing money hand over fist.
John Scrivner wrote:
Primus tells me they are more than a VOIP company and that they do
make money. They impressed me in my dealings with them. Can you
share more about your information about Primus? I have a big
interest in knowing anything I can about them right now.
Peter R. wrote:
You haven't seen it yet, because Lingo is not profitable yet.
Primus owns Lingo and Primus is basically an International VOIP
Like so many VOIP Providers, they are still trying to figure out
how to make a profit.
Delta3 (which is the backend for VZ's VoiceWing) made $9.1M in
revenue in 4Q05 and just $22k in income.
Vonage has a customer acquisition cost that is 20 times their MRC.
Jonathan Schmidt wrote:
I've been personally delighted with two years of Lingo giving me
unlimited USA/Canada/EUROPE calling on 7 lines each for $19.95/month
and an unusually rich set of features (like e-mailing me
files of all incoming voicemails, etc.).
Now, that's retail w/box and support.
I've taken the box on trips and routed it through my laptop
the laptop is on a V.32 dialup and it works but sounds kind of
like a cell
phone but having my local number with me in Europe and having
free calls throughout Europe from Europe or Eastern Europe for ZERO
additional cost is kinda cool.
It's SIP but they keep promising a soft phone for the line, like
haven't seen it yet.
. . . j o n a t h a n
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