IN 2.4Ghz you have the 3-1 rule and a very high noisefloor, practically everywhere.
On Thu, 25 May 2006 12:23:22 -0400, "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > > 3.5Ghz does, > > I find that hard to believe. 2.4Ghz couldn't do it, which is why we rely > on > 900Mhz. > > What makes 3.5Ghz appropriate for the task? > > With 3650 from what I understood, is only supposed to be allowed for PtP > or > mobile service only (not indoor) based on the high power levels allowed. > > Not sure whats at the other 3.5G ranges in US. > > Tom DeReggi > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "jeffrey thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > Sent: Thursday, May 25, 2006 4:02 AM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 equipment > > > > The benchmark is the ability to provide NLOS, portable or fixed service > > to at least a 2 mile radius per cell, indoors. > > > > 5.8 doesnt really give true NLOS to that distance indoors > > > > 5.4 doesnt really give true NLOS to that distance indoors > > > > 4.9 doesnt really give true NLOS to that disance indoors > > > > 3.5Ghz does, to "portable" devices similar to the equipment used by > > clearwire. Airspan for example claims their wimax solution works indoors > > to about 3 miles out, which is pretty good IMHO. > > > > When you can deliver a zero truck roll model with 90% or above > > availablity, is when operators by the truckload will deploy equipment. > > At that point, you will see deployments in the thousands, like the ones > > in mexico of 750,000 homes serviced. > > > > - > > > > Jeff > > > > > > > > On Thu, 25 May 2006 02:20:23 -0400, "Tom DeReggi" > > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > >> How do you figure? > >> You don't think 5.4 is going to solve part of that? > >> > >> Tom DeReggi > >> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > >> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > >> > >> > >> ----- Original Message ----- > >> From: "Jeffrey Thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > >> Sent: Wednesday, May 24, 2006 10:55 PM > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 equipment > >> > >> > >> > Frankly, > >> > > >> > The FCC should really hurry up and finish the rules to allow the > >> > industry > >> > to > >> > really take off. The common view with most manufacturers I have found > >> > is > >> > that until there is 3.5ghz or near spectrum available, there will be > >> > small > >> > and limited deployments of wisp size and not many large scale > >> > deployments > >> > outside of 2.5ghz or 700 mhz operators. > >> > > >> > - > >> > > >> > Jeff > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > On 5/24/06 6:14 AM, "Charles Wu" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > >> > > >> >> All the same time, the industry doesn't bother to fill out their Form > >> >> 477s > >> >> also > >> >> > >> >> The sad thing is is that there are long term consequences towards > >> >> "flaunting > >> >> the rules" -- namely the fact that you are just reinforcing the ILEC > >> >> argument that unlicensed spectrum just creates a bunch of "cowboys" > >> >> that > >> >> can't be taken seriously > >> >> > >> >> Heck, even Marlon knows better than to wear his skin-tight pink > >> >> flamingo > >> >> suit when he represents the industry in DC > >> >> > >> >> -Charles > >> >> > >> >> ------------------------------------------- > >> >> CWLab > >> >> Technology Architects > >> >> http://www.cwlab.com > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> -----Original Message----- > >> >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> >> On > >> >> Behalf Of jeffrey thomas > >> >> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 11:37 PM > >> >> To: WISPA General List > >> >> Subject: RE: [WISPA] 3650 equipment > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> In the larger scale of things- when you compare this to a carrier > >> >> deployment > >> >> which would deliver thousands of CPE's service, this is a test. I know > >> >> of > >> >> one company that has recieved 28 STA's for 14 markets, for over 2000 > >> >> CPE. > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> > >> >> - > >> >> > >> >> Jeff > >> >> > >> >> On Tue, 23 May 2006 21:33:33 -0400, "Gino A. Villarini" > >> >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> >> said: > >> >>> Do you really think towerstream need 150 field units or cpes to > >> >>> "test" > >> >>> a single base station? > >> >>> > >> >>> Gino A. Villarini > >> >>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> >>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. > >> >>> tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 > >> >>> > >> >>> -----Original Message----- > >> >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> >>> On Behalf Of Jack Unger > >> >>> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 9:07 PM > >> >>> To: WISPA General List > >> >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 equipment > >> >>> > >> >>> Gino, > >> >>> > >> >>> Is Towerstream doing this - using 3650 to deliver commercial service? > >> >>> > >> >>> jack > >> >>> > >> >>> > >> >>> Gino A. Villarini wrote: > >> >>> > >> >>>> Towerstream anyone ? > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Gino A. Villarini > >> >>>> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> >>>> Aeronet Wireless Broadband Corp. > >> >>>> tel 787.273.4143 fax 787.273.4145 > >> >>>> -----Original Message----- > >> >>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> >>>> On Behalf Of Jack Unger > >> >>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 6:56 PM > >> >>>> To: WISPA General List > >> >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 3650 equipment > >> >>>> > >> >>>> Jeffrey, > >> >>>> > >> >>>> I have to question the "judgement ability" (or the lack of it) of > >> >>>> anyone > >> >>>> who abuses the FCC rules to the extent of taking a licensed > >> >>>> "experimental" system and using it for a commercial, > >> >>>> revenue-generating > >> >>>> purpose. Someone who would do this is (IMHO): > >> >>>> > >> >>>> 1. Someone with no business sense > >> >>>> 2. Someone with no appreciation of (or experience with) the > >> >>>> enforcement > >> >>>> powers of the FCC > >> >>>> 3. Someone who will likely turn out to be their own worst enemy > >> >>>> 4. NOT someone who I could rely upon to provide me reliable, > >> >>>> long-term > >> >>>> WISP service. > >> >>>> jack > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>> jeffrey thomas wrote: > >> >>>> > >> >>>> > >> >>>>> Patrick, > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> It doesnt change the fact that many have launched "limited" > >> >>>>> deployments as a "test" but still charged for the access service, > >> >>>>> banking on the fact that the FCC has set the band aside for > >> >>>>> unlicensed anyways, and that the chance of the FCC cracking down on > >> >>>>> them is very low. > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> Im not saying this is right, but reality is such that they will be > >> >>>>> evenutally amending the rules and the gear according to my sources > >> >>>>> that is available today will be compliant. *shrug* > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> - > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> Jeff > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> On Tue, 23 May 2006 12:37:11 -0700, "Patrick Leary" > >> >>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>> > >> >>>>>> Exactly, it clearly shows that an operator today CANNOT launch any > >> >>>>>> commercial services using 3650MHz. > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> - Patrick > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> -----Original Message----- > >> >>>>>> From: Charles Wu [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> >>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 23, 2006 8:40 AM > >> >>>>>> To: 'WISPA General List' > >> >>>>>> Subject: RE: [WISPA] 3650 equipment > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> Read below and you can decide on whether or not you will be > >> >>>>>> "breaking the law" w/ a 3650 deployment > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> --------------------------- > >> >>>>>> To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org> > >> >>>>>> Cc: <isp-wireless@isp-wireless.com>; > >> >>>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >> >>>>>> Sent: Wednesday, February 08, 2006 6:32 AM > >> >>>>>> Subject: [equipment-l] Experimental Licensing in the 3650 MHz > >> >>>>>> Band - > >> >>>>>> Clarifications > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> Recently, there have been some misleading advertisements promising > >> >>>>>> turn-key 3.65 GHz licensing services as a means of avoiding > >> >>>>>> interference in congested > >> >>>>>> license-exempt ISM/UNII bands. Although the FCC issued adopted > >> >>>>>> rules > >> >>>>>> back > >> >>>>>> in March 2005 to open access to new spectrum for wireless > >> >>>>>> broadband > >> >>>>>> in > >> >>>>>> the > >> >>>>>> 3.65 GHz band, a "minor" contention-based requirement has delayed > >> >>>>>> the > >> >>>>>> deployment of wireless broadband services in this band as > >> >>>>>> equipment > >> >>>>>> manufacturers currently work behind the scenes to iron out the > >> >>>>>> details. > >> >> > >> >>>>>> As > >> >>>>>> things currently stand, deploying a 3.65 GHz system today falls > >> >>>>>> under > >> >>>>>> Subpart 5: Experimental Radio Service of the FCC Rules. > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> Infrastructure Investment & Experimentation under Part 5 needs to > >> >>>>>> be done strictly from a "curiosity" perspective rather than one of > >> >>>>>> "commercial network expansion." Part 5 permits experimentation in > >> >>>>>> scientific or technical operations directly related to the use of > >> >>>>>> radio waves. The rules provide the opportunity to experiment with > >> >>>>>> new techniques or new services prior to submitting proposals to > >> >>>>>> the > >> >>>>>> FCC to change its rules. > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> Some useful excerpts regarding Experimental Licensing > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> 47CFR5.3: Scope of Service > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> Stations operating in the Experimental Radio Service will be > >> >>>>>> permitted to conduct the following type of operations: > >> >>>>>> (a) Experimentations in scientific or technical radio research > >> >>>>>> (b) Experimentations under contractual agreement with the United > >> >> States > >> >>>>>> Government, or for export purposes. > >> >>>>>> (c) Communications essential to a research project. > >> >>>>>> (d) Technical demonstrations of equipment or techniques. > >> >>>>>> (e) Field strength surveys by persons not eligible for > >> >>>>>> authorization > >> >>>>>> in > >> >>>>>> any other service. > >> >>>>>> (f) Demonstration of equipment to prospective purchasers by > >> >>>>>> persons > >> >>>>>> engaged in the business of selling radio equipment. > >> >>>>>> (g) Testing of equipment in connection with production or > >> >>>>>> regulatory > >> >>>>>> approval of such equipment. > >> >>>>>> (h) Development of radio technique, equipment or engineering > >> >>>>>> data > >> >> not > >> >>>>>> related to an existing or proposed service, including field or > >> >>>>>> factory testing or calibration of equipment. > >> >>>>>> (i) Development of radio technique, equipment, operational > >> >>>>>> data > >> >>>>>> or > >> >>>>>> engineering data related to an existing or proposed radio service. > >> >>>>>> (j) Limited market studies. > >> >>>>>> (k) Types of experiments that are not specifically covered under > >> >>>>>> paragraphs (a) through (j) of this section will be considered upon > >> >>>>>> demonstration of need > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> 47CFR5.51: Eligibility of License > >> >>>>>> > >> >>>>>> (a) Authorizations for stations in the Experimental Radio > >> >>>>>> Service > >> >> will > >> >>>>>> be > >> >>>>>> issued only to persons qualified to conduct experimentation > >> >>>>>> utilizing radio waves for scientific or technical operation data > >> >>>>>> directly related to a use > >> >>>>>> of radio not provided by existing rules; 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