Thanks Jack. See inline for responses. Also, 2 others asked questions so:
1) I have not found anything to indicate this is getting treated as a
broadcast or network IP.
2) Other customers connected to the AP. And yes, they get double ping
replies across the long link.
Scott Reed
Owner
NewWays
Wireless Networking
Network Design, Installation and Administration
www.nwwnet.net <http://www.nwwnet.net/>
---------- Original Message -----------
From: Jack Unger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
Sent: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 19:43:02 -0700
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Double Ping Replies
> Scott,
>
> RADIOMOBILE PLOT - The Radio Mobile plot FROM your midpoint CPE back to
> your DLB1300 AP was very helpful and shows a fade margin of 10.7 dB
> which should be enough to provide reliable performance in the upstream
> direction, assuming that the noise level is low (below the receiver
> threshold) at the near-end DLB1300.
>
> DOWNSTREAM FADE MARGIN - What's the fade margin in the downstream
> direction from the DLB1300 TO the midpoint CPE?
Fade margin in reverse direction is 7.7dB.
The fade margin will
> only be the same as the upstream fade margin if the DLB1300 transmitter
> power output is as high or higher than the CPE transmitter power output
> AND if the midpoint CM9 receiver sensitivity (threshold) is as good as
> the DLB1300 receiver threshold. Can you do a Radio Mobile plot in the
> downstream direction to verify that the downstream fade margin is at
> least 10 dB?
>
> ADDITIONAL TESTING - Do you still get double pings if you ping from the
> first (near end) AP to the midpoint CM9 radio? Yes.
Do you get double pings
> if you ping from the near-end DLB1300 AP to the second (midpoint) AP?
Yes
>
> PROBLEM HISTORY - What's the history of the problem? Was the system
> working well for a certain period of time and THEN did it start slowing
> down or is this a newly-installed link that has not yet been proven to
> deliver full throughput and reliable performance in both directions?
I am not sure. We put up the customers and all was fine, so I don't know
that I have done any pings in the 6 months that they have been up. This
week one customer called to say his connection was slow. He had
mentioned that before and I had not noticed the ping problem, but I
assume they are related. I have a new customer, less than 2 weeks that
has determined he is getting packet loss, probably on the long link.
Just heard that, so have not done any other investigation on his, though
it does double reply sometimes.
> If the system worked well for a while and then deteriorated, I'd look
for:
>
> a) A hardware problem, or
>
> b) An antenna alignment problem, or
>
> c) A high-noise level problem (the noise increased recently), or
>
> d) Water intrusion, or
>
> e) Some combination of a, b, c, or d.
>
> On the other hand, if the system is newly-installed and is not working
> (and has never worked) the way you expected it to, the problem can still
> be caused by a, b, c, d, or e (above) but it can also be something at
> the wired Ethernet level or at the software configuration level.
>
> FINAL QUESTIONS
>
> 1. Are you absolutely sure that the customer's antenna is high enough to
> have a wireless LOS path (including an unobstructed Fresnel Zone) back
> to the mid-point AP? Is it possible that the 2-mile link is shooting
> through too many treetops?
Yes, especially the new one, I can see the AP antenna from the ground
and the antenna is 30 feet up. I do not recall seeing the tower from the
orginal problem customer, but there is about 1 mile of open field before
the first tree.
>
> 2. What is the "normal" ping time range?
New Customer:
Ping 1: 18 & 24ms
Ping 2: 20 & 19ms
Ping 3: 19ms
Ping 4: 12 & 21ms
First customer:
Well I just pinged it with no duplicates, but 45, 60, 60, and 190ms.
Ping 1: 56 & 66ms
Ping 2: 62 & 68ms
Ping 3: 85ms
Ping 4: 147 & 159ms
Ping 1: 249ms
Ping 2: 13ms
Ping 3: 12ms
Ping 4: 10ms
So not very consistant and slow, sometimes.
POP to AP is very similar to the customer, so I really think the link
between the POPs is the issue.
I have in hand new 5.8GHz antennae and an RM532 with CM9 card to put at
the NOC, rather than the intermediate POP. I am hopeful that moving to
5.8GHz PTP instead of 2.4GHz PtMP. RM Link info for the proposed PTP is
attached.
>
> 3. How large are your ping packets?
This all with 28 byte packets. 1000 seems pretty similar.
>
> 4. What hardware is located between the midpoint CPE and the midpoint
> AP?
Total link NOC to Customer is:
RB230 -- TrangoLink10 == TrangoLink 10 -- RB230 -- DLB1300 == CM9 in
RB230 -- CM9 in RB230 == SmartBridge Outdoor
where -- is wire or on the card and == is wireless.
>
> NEXT STEP - I think that the ping test results that you obtain when you
> ping from the near-end AP to the midpoint CPE and then from the near-end
> AP to the midpoint AP should be helpful in further isolating the
problem.
>
> jack
>
> Scott Reed wrote:
>
> > This is an 802.11b hop link. It goes 9.4 miles from a DLB1300 AP with
> > 120* 14dBi sector to a 24dBi Grid on an CM9 in a RB230. From there
it is
> > 2.0 miles to the customer. The AP has a 90* 9dBi (I think) on a CM9.
> > Customer is a 15dBi grid to an SB Outdoor radio.
> >
> > Does the 9.4 mile link constitute a "long link?" It appears the double
> > ping replies are only if I ping from the first AP through the other to
> > the client. Pinging from the clients near AP doesn't get the double
> > replies.
> >
> > RadioMobile plot of link attached.
> >
> > Scott Reed
> > Owner
> > NewWays
> > Wireless Networking
> > Network Design, Installation and Administration
> > www.nwwnet.net <http://www.nwwnet.net/> <http://www.nwwnet.net/>
> >
> >
> > ---------- Original Message -----------
> > From: Jack Unger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
> > Sent: Mon, 05 Jun 2006 15:31:06 -0700
> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Double Ping Replies
> >
> > > Scott,
> > >
> > > Excessive pings is often a symptom of a poor wireless link. I would
> > > check to be sure that:
> > >
> > > a) The customer's antenna is high enough to provide a good signal
back
> > > to the access point
> > >
> > > b) The link is not overly long
> > >
> > > c) There is no hardware problem in their antenna system or radio.
> > >
> > > jack
> > >
> > > Scott Reed wrote:
> > > > I had a customer call to say there connection had not been working
> > well
> > > > today. I started to see what is going on by ping the radio. I
get 2
> > > > replies for almost every ping. Average was about 1 at 45ms and
one at
> > > > 56ms. The times are longer than normal, but my question is, how
do I
> > > > get 2 reponses to a ping? No duplicate addresses, I checked.
> > > > The other way I know there were 2 pings is one of the MTs that is
> > > > between me and the customer showed 2 times the download as upload
> > speed
> > > > in torch, and I was the only one talking to that radio.
> > > > Suggestions on what I need to look for?
> > > >
> > > > Scott Reed
> > > > Owner
> > > > NewWays
> > > > Wireless Networking
> > > > Network Design, Installation and Administration
> > > > www.nwwnet.net <http://www.nwwnet.net/>
<http://www.nwwnet.net/> <http://www.nwwnet.net/>
> > > >
> > >
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