We are looking at this now for Demarc and I can tell you the cost is less
vs. pots if setup correctly . We have 5 standard pots lines coming in now at
a basic cost of $220 after you add in all the taxes and fees. The we pay
about $40 a month for long anywhere, any time, unlimited distance with a
total of $260 a month.

This same setup on VOIP would be $70-$100 a month with 4 incoming lines and
one main DID including LD. We are looking at doing something in the middle
where we would go to 2 POTS and the rest VOIP so have redundancy in the

Now I would say that this only works on a multi-line system for small
business, customers that only have 1-2 lines would not see much is any
savings. But as you add more lines you start seeing a major difference.


-----Original Message-----
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 11:06 AM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP as a service offering - Skype, Yahoo, MS

The clear trend where we're at is cell phone and/or voip.

Mostly, it's cell phone and no land line.  What for?  I've got my phone, she
has hers, the kids each have one etc.  Who needs a land line, portable phone
or otherwise????

Businesses don't care about voip here because long distance rates are so
cheap that some of them would actually increase their costs by moving to

And lets not forget chat eh?  Many of the new business people/leaders out
there are used to using chat instead of talking on the phone.  I don't know
about you guys, but I remember spending hours some days on the phone with my
friends as a teenager.  Now my son chats.  I also use chat a lot during the
day.  He'll use it far more.

How many of you are trying to teach your corporate customers to use chat
instead of picking up the phone all of the time?  I think that all I really
need is my own chat server that I can assure them of privacy and no stupid
bells and whistles and I could make more money offering a private chat
system than voip!  And I could greatly increase my customer's efficiency. 
No need for small talk when you are on chat all day like there is with each
phone call.

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----- Original Message -----
From: "Matt Liotta" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" <>
Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 7:16 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] VoIP as a service offering - Skype, Yahoo, MS

>A lot can change in a year especially with a mass-market disruptive 
>technology like VoIP. In just the last 3 months of 2005 900,000 new VoIP 
>subs were added. Earlier this year the total household VoIP market was 
>thought to be 4.5 million subs, but is expected to be 7.9 million by years 
>end. Most of this increase is to due to the cable companies, which now 
>exceed 50% market share. Interestingly, cable companies have access to 9% 
>of all households and 7% percent of RBOC households. Couple this with RBOCs

>currently losing ~5% of their POTS lines each year and the picture gets 
>pretty clear.
> Worldwide things are quite a bit different where 40% of all minutes 
> passing through class 5 switches are at some point handled as VoIP.
> -Matt
> Travis Johnson wrote:
>> Hi,
>> I will have to find the article I read about a year ago regarding VoIP 
>> and POTS and cellular. It shows that even with the number of people that 
>> are switching, it is still VERY small when compared with the number that 
>> still have POTS and will continue to keep their land lines.
>> In our area, the big switch is not to VoIP but rather to cell phones. 
>> There are many products on the market now that allow you to plug a cell 
>> phone into your normal phone wiring in the home and then port your number

>> to the cell phone. Thus, you save money, have a phone you can take with 
>> you no matter where you go, have 911 services, etc.
>> Does anyone know the percentages of different phone services in Taiwan, 
>> Japan, or otherwise? I thought I read somewhere that one of those 
>> countries was over 75% cell phone.
>> Travis
>> Microserv
>> Matt Liotta wrote:
>>> There are major LECs using VoIP internally while providing analog 
>>> service to their customers. Therefore, it is quite possible you have had

>>> conversations over a VoIP network using your POTS lines without even 
>>> knowing it. Further, the percentage likelihood that you will have such a

>>> phone call in the future is increasing steadily.
>>> VoIP is a disruptive technology that will forever change the landscape 
>>> of telecom. In a short number of years, VoIP will be more heavily used 
>>> than POTS by consumers. In fact, many people speculate that the RBOCs 
>>> have projections that tell them when to switch from POTS to Voice over 
>>> DSL from a revenue/expense standpoint. They are ready to do it now.
>>> -Matt
>>> Travis Johnson wrote:
>>>> You may have the very best VoIP system with the least latency, highest 
>>>> call quality, etc.... but it still is not the same as a POTS line.
>>>> The real test is when you call someone from a VoIP line to a cell 
>>>> phone... that's when you get echo, delay and noise to the point that 
>>>> you end up talking over each other, etc. I have been on the cell phone 
>>>> end of MANY calls like this, from MANY different companies around the 
>>>> US. Every single one of them was using VoIP (from many different 
>>>> providers). Having a "shared" pipe (VoIP) will just never be the same 
>>>> as a "dedicated" pipe (POTS). :)
>>>> Granted, VoIP may be good enough for 99% of the people, but personally 
>>>> I guess I fall into the 1%. ;)
>>>> Travis
>>>> Microserv
>>>> Matt Liotta wrote:
>>>>> On Jun 19, 2006, at 7:27 PM, Travis Johnson wrote:
>>>>>> I don't believe there is any real money in it either... cell phones 
>>>>>> will be the choice 5-10 years from now. VoIP is the bridge to get 
>>>>>> there. Of course, I'm talking residential users... business users 
>>>>>> are a little different... although we will never switch our  business

>>>>>> lines (12 of them) to VoIP. I've never heard a VoIP call  that 
>>>>>> sounded as good as a POTS line... :)
>>>>> Call us then. Or better yet, send us a fax, which is the real test of 
>>>>> VoIP quality. VoIP will never be circuit switched, but it is good 
>>>>> enough to the point that without testing equipment an end user can't 
>>>>> tell the difference. Except of course the reduction in cost and the 
>>>>> increase in functionality afforded by VoIP.
>>>>> -Matt
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