{oops...responded to the wrong message...MODERATOR! MODERATOR!!!}

Mark Nash
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Nash" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 7:09 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WCA Weighs In Against Net Neutrality


you could put a hot tub in there, too...

Mark Nash
Network Engineer
UnwiredOnline.Net
350 Holly Street
Junction City, OR 97448
http://www.uwol.net
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----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Koskenmaki" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 7:04 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WCA Weighs In Against Net Neutrality


That's not quite it.   I have never had my OE set to compose html...
There's one more setting.

From the main screen it is Tools - Options - Send (tab)

Uncheck 'reply to messages in the format they were sent" or something close
to that.




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----- Original Message ----- From: "Larry Yunker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 1:22 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] WCA Weighs In Against Net Neutrality


Turn off the option to compose E-mail in HTML.

----- Original Message ----- From: Tom DeReggi
 To: WISPA General List
 Sent: Wednesday, June 21, 2006 1:34 PM
 Subject: Re: [WISPA] WCA Weighs In Against Net Neutrality


 Actually,

My Outlook Express does the same thing when I reply. I hate it. But I do
not know how to turn it off.

Does any one know how to turn off the feature that includes the bar on the
left, when I reply myself?

 Tom DeReggi
 RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
 IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband


----- Original Message ----- From: Rich Comroe
   To: WISPA General List
   Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 10:07 PM
   Subject: Re: [WISPA] WCA Weighs In Against Net Neutrality


   >why do you do it?

   I'm a top poster.  I hate having to essentially re-read the previous
email to find the added reply comments (especially when it's a long email
and you ultimately just find an added "yeah me too" way down at the bottom). I find that incredibly annoying. I prefer replies where you pick-out what you're replying to and copy it to the top along with your reply. Concise.
The originals are all there below for reference if you want them, but you
don't have to scroll down to find the reply. You can more clearly see the c hain of replies too (when each reply edits the same body, it quickly becomes
impossible).

   I know it's a religious preference / argument and there's no right or
wrong, only a preference ... but you wanted to know "why", so ...

   peace
   Rich
----- Original Message ----- From: Mark Koskenmaki
     To: WISPA General List
     Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 8:17 PM
     Subject: Re: [WISPA] WCA Weighs In Against Net Neutrality


     You guys that post using this incredibly annoying bar at the left...
why do you do it?   It makes c onversational email impossible...

     Read on below.   comments are prefaced with >>>>>


     North East Oregon Fastnet, LLC 509-593-4061
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     Fast Internet, NO WIRES!
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----- Original Message ----- From: David Sovereen
       To: WISPA General List
       Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 1:37 PM
       Subject: Re: [WISPA] WCA Weighs In Against Net Neutrality


       I respectfully disagree and think that WCA's position of less
regulation and allowing network operators operate their networks how they
want is the right approach. Net neutrality legislation opens the door for content companies and your subscribers to force open and equal access to all
content on the Internet.

       >>>>   I don't see the problem with content companies and
subscribers having equal access to each other. That, after all... IS WHAT
I PROVIDE!

       How many WISPs on this list are limiting P2P traffic separate from
other traffic?  I'll bite... I am.

       >>>>  Me too, but this has little to do with net neutrality, since
peer to peer sharing involves HOSTING, and that I specifically don't
generally allow. Terms of Service has covered hosting forever - since long
before Napster was someone's dream.

       How many WISPs on this list are prioritizing VoIP traffic separate
from other traffic? I'll bite. I am. And I only prioritize VoIP traffic to and from my own VoIP servers and not VoIP traffic from Vonage or anyone
else.

>>>>> I will eventually, and I will be entirely neutral as to whose servers it goes to...after all, if I can't serve my customer's needs, then
what the heck am I?   A fraud?

       How many WISPs on this list are filtering NetBIOS, RPC, and other
traffic deemed malicious?  I'll bite... I am again.

       >>>>>  Yeah.   Me too.   Again, this has nothing whatsoever to do
with limiting access to content.

       Now the last one, I can't imagine being sued over, but I hope you
see my point.

These controls are important for me to manage my network and ensure
a quality of service my customers expect.

       Net neutrality takes these controls away.

       >>>>  I seriously doubt that.

       Dave

       989-837-3790 x 151
       989-837-3780 fax

       [EMAIL PROTECTED]
       www.mercury.net

       129 Ashman St, Midland, MI  48640
----- Original Message ----- From: Larry Yunker
         To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; WISPA General List
         Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 3:56 PM
         Subject: Re: [WISPA] WCA Weighs In Against Net Neutrality


         The WCA is showing its true colors..  the WCA stands for the
interests of
         Verizon, AT&T Wireless, Sprint, and the other big Cell Carriers
(many of
         which incidentally are owned by AT&T, Bell South, and Verizon
RBOCs).  With
         statements like this, I don't believe that the WCA will ever be
looking out
         for the interests unlicensed WISPs.

         If you think that blocking net neutrality is the path to
"controlling your
own network", you have missed the entire point. Without effective
net
         neutrality legislation, the RBOCs and the CableCos will own the
internet and
tariff the hell out of the traffic that flows through it. It will
be one
         more nail in the coffin of the mom-n-pop operator that can't
afford to pay
tariffs to get their subscribers access to "premium" content. It
will drive
         the customers of small operators to switch to the RBOCs and
CableCos because
         those networks will be the only "fast" networks or the only ones
that have
         "access" to everything on the internet.

         - Larry Yunker

----- Original Message ----- From: "Peter R." <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
         To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
         Sent: Tuesday, June 20, 2006 12:32 PM
         Subject: [WISPA] WCA Weighs In Against Net Neutrality


         > WCA Weighs In Against Net Neutrality
         >
         > http://www.telecomweb.com/tnd/17310.html
         >
<http://ad.doubleclick.net/jump/telecomweb.com/;sz=180x150;ord=021450>
         >
         > The *Wireless Communications Association International* (WCA)
has come
> down against network-neutrality legislation, joining one of the
pressure
         > groups that has been opposing moves in *Congress
> </search/?query=Congress>* on the polarizing issue (/TelecomWeb
news
         > break, /June 15).
         >
> Representing about 250 companies in broadband wireless carriage
and
         > manufacturing, WCA has teamed with the recently formed
> *NETCompetition.org* group organized by Scott Cleland, president
of
         > *Precursor LLC*, and which bills itself as an "e-forum" for
debate but
         > clearly positions itself among the vocal anti-net-neutrality
factions.WCA
         > claims its motive is to promote growth and innovation in
advanced
         > communications over broadband wireless by protecting the
business from
         > net-neutrality regulation
         >
> "With spectrum a scarce and expensive resource, it is imperative
that
         > wireless broadband providers remain free to manage their own
networks,"
         > said WCA President Andrew Kreig in a prepared statement.
"Net-neutrality
         > regulation would discourage innovation and investment in more
competitive
         > broadband choices to all Americans. Our member companies are
investing
         > heavily in WiMAX </search/?query=WiMAX> or other '4G' types of
         > next-generation broadband competitive alternatives. Our
companies are part
         > of the competitive solution, not part of the regulatory
problem."
         >
         > Other supporters of NETCompetition.org include the *American
Cable
         > Association*, *CTIA-The Wireless Association*, the *National
Cable &
         > Telecommunications* *Association*, the *United States
Telecommunications
         > Association*, *Advance/Neuhouse Communications*, *Alltel*,
*AT&T*,
         > *BellSouth*, *Cingular*, *Comcast*, *Qwest
</search/?query=Qwest>
         > Communications International*, *Sprint*, *Time Warner Cable*,
*Verizon
> </search/?query=Verizon> Communications* and *Verizon Wireless*.
         >
> With the WCA's membership, Cleland remarks that next-generation
wireless
         > broadband companies are concerned net neutrality regulation
would
> discourage investment, adding, "More innovation and competition
are the
         > antidotes for net-neutrality concerns, not backward-looking
government
         > micromanagement."
         >
         > The development comes after key *House* committees and a full
House floor
         > vote passed a new video-franchise and telecom bills after
defeating
         > repeated amendment attempts to codify stronger net-neutrality
laws and to
         > give the *Federal Communications Commission* greater powers.
         >
> The debate over net neutrality - with many pro and con pressure
groups
         > frantically trying to get attention - now turns to the *Senate
*Committee
         > on Commerce Science and Technology, where a massive
communications-reform
> bill also allegedly lacks strong net-neutrality provisos as well
as to the
         > Senate Judiciary Committee that is considering separate net
neutrality
         > bills in an antitrust, anti-monopoly context (/see related
stories in
         > today's Telecom Policy Report/).
         >
> The Senate Commerce Committee may mark up its draft on Thursday
(reschuled
         > from tomorrow)  while Senate Judiciary's Subcommittee on
Antitrust,
         > Competition Policy and Consumer Rights that same afternoon has
slated a
> hearing on the impact of the proposed AT&T/BellSouth merger (in
light of
         > consolidating telcos becoming a factor in the net-neutrality
fight).
         >
> -- >
         >
         > Regards,
         >
         > Peter
         > RAD-INFO, Inc. - NSP Strategist
         > We Help ISPs Connect & Communicate
         > 813.963.5884 http://4isps.com/newsletter.htm
         >
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