On Jun 23, 2006, at 4:28 PM, Tom DeReggi wrote:
Do you really believe that? I know the comments you made in regard to
911 compliance I countered with facts I can backup. Therefore, your
ideas on 911 compliance were either just made up or worse, your
lawyer agreed with you on them. If you didn't check your ideas
against the FCC's order, asked an FCC staffer for an opinion, or
verified them with a lawyer then my statement above --no matter how
disrespectful you may find it-- would seemingly be correct.
Many on this list like to just make things up as opposed to
getting an actual legal opinion from a practicing attorney that
specializes in this field.
I'm not aware of that going on much at all on this list, its just
Instead what people on this list do is THINK for themselves. They
look for possible ways to get around the rules, and debate the
validity of those possibilities.
Why, because its how small independant providers survive, save
money, stay competitive, and have the oportunity to deploy services
in this industry, that so many want to see prevented or to over
incumber the small provider so they go away.
I'm all for people thinking for themselves, looking, and sharing ways
to deal with regulations as they come up. However, when one's
contributions to such a discussion is not informed then I don't think
it helps anyone survive, save money, or stay competitive.
Secondly, a Lawyer is like an Accountant, in the sense that they
are liable for the advice that they give, and their job is not to
advise you how to get around the law, but instead how to comply to
it with certainty, in a way that they will not be liable if they
are wrong, instead stretching the rules for everything they can get
out of it. Its up to the client to push the limits, based on the
advise legal council has made them aware of and risk involved
walking the line close.
Again, in order to use a lawyer in such a manner then you must be
informed. How can you suggest possibilities to your lawyer if you
haven't read the order?
Thirdly, regulation is not just a legal issue, it is also a
technical issue. I don't care how much council you get and how good
they are, Lawyers rarely understand the minute details that
differentiate technical issues. Historically, even the best
lawyers, tend to be technically challenged. I know I service them
daily. Why, because their time is more valuable, so they pay
others to learn the technical stuff for them. I don't trust a
lawyer any more than a congressman to understand detailed technical
issues of our industry, that we have trouble understanding
ourselves as the experts in it everyday full time. (no disrepect
meant to the legal profession, and there are some legal council
that are technically savy of course, some that have even advised on
I think you have just made a gross generalization about an entire
industry. For example, patent attorneys are required to have a
technical background and often possess a Phd in their field of
specialization. Additionally, I know for a fact that several of our
attorneys are more knowledgeable about the PSTN and 911 both legally
and technically than I am.
Fourthly, Why should everyone pay for legal council and replicate
costs, when we can share knowledge learned. There are many places
to learn other than jsut legal council. Studying FCC comments,
learning at trade shows, or reading common publications. I don't
see much "Making it up". Although I do see a lot of "IDEAS".
Please point me to FCC comments, trade show presentations, or
publications that you used for your ideas. Certainly, without those
sources then those ideas must be made up.
Fifthly, Sometimes people don't pay legal council because its just
not cost effective during the idea phase. I'm sure most people do
consult council, just like you, at the appropriate time.
What is the appropriate time? Before or after one has stated publicly
on a mailing list their position. You don't think that if someone has
a serious injury due to the failure of a 911 call that public
archives might be searched to see if the offending organization was
If you think paying council, is discovering the complete
undisputable answer, you are fooling yourself. Thats why they have
judges. To determine which point of view is correct, when the point
of view between two legal teams on a toipic differ. Your legal
council, is just one preception of the law. And I'm interested in
hearing your perceptions as well, as the perceptions of the others
on this list.
The correct answer isn't as important as a legally defendable answer.
If I am advised by counsel that I am complying with the law and am
later found not to be by a judge then my lawyer is at fault.
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