Im in MN where the city of Chaska has had a large tropos network
running for a couple years. About 80% of in home customers have to
purchase a "wireless modem" (CB3) to get a stable signal in their home.
Anthony Will
Broadband Corp.
On 7/3/06, *Charles Wu* <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
Hi Tom,
The WHOLE PURPOSE of a WiFi Mesh Network Strategy is to AVOID THE
COST OF
THE CPE & TRUCK ROLL
Now -- whether this theory works in practice is a whole nother issue
-Charles
P.S. FWIW - personally, I find the the concept (from an ROI
perspective) of
a service provider WiFi mesh to be a bit far-fetched, but then
again, 10
years ago, I told the founder of half.com <http://half.com> that
you was bonkers, and proceded
to get into the wireless biz =/
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Wholesale Program
The primary difference being that in the Canopy Fixed Wireless you are
including end user CPE. The largest cost to detur take rate when
WISPS make
subs pay for it.
Its likely that one can assume that many of the subscribers will
need to
install outdoor equipment (adding $100-$300 BUCKS), to reliably
connect to
the mesh. So you could easilly add $1.5 million to the mesh cost
for CPE,
or remove $1.5million from the Fix Wireless plan if you were going to
compare apples to apples.
What Mesh still has on its side is mobility. The question is what
value
should a WISP put on that. Mobility can be easilly be the reason
to justify
why a muni should support a oublic interest project. (cable and
DSL go to
the home but NOT mobile for teh community to share.). Mobilty
also allow
Muni type applications, such as to support travelling users
(commerce), or
Mobile government work force. Mesh also gives Muni bargining
power in the
deployment, as it uses an asset of value that the governement has
to trade
and offer (easements, light poles, and power from them).
In a Fixed Wireless deployment it could easilly be argued that teh
givernemnt has little assets of value to the provider. Its usually
the
independant property owners tht have the preferred assets for signal
distribution. For example, in my county, I am allowed free access
to city
infrastructure as a requirement that allowed tower building
restrictions to
be passed years ago. But yet I chose to pay for broadcast sites,
because teh
Governement do not own the best sites that are advantageous to me.
Part of my point is that its not jsut the radios costs that are
relevant.
I'm starting to think that the Tropos, use all verticle, use only one
channel all across the network, design may not be to bad an ideas
after all.
If it solves the challenge to get mobility well, and does not work
well for
subs inside their homes, it still allows lots of spectrum for the high
quality Fixed Wireless providers.
Part of the arguement is that its possible that MESH may be the
only way to
get mobilty well. And maybe the answer is to deliver it with the
least
impact on everyone else.
Of course Alvarion mobile products have shown otherwise for
vehichle mobile
solutions.
So what would happen if more Fixed Wireless manufacturers made
Mobile CPEs?
Would it get rid of some of teh need of mesh? Sure mesh gives
person/laptop
mobility, but will any one really use it? There is a good
arguement that if
usage of hotspots is low in public areas (parks, cafes, etc) it
would be
even lower on the streets and such. There is still very little
evidence
that communities will get the MESH signal insidet heir home
reliably without
external CPE equipment.
Tom DeReggi
RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc
IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband
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>a whole 49 square feet, eh ? Real hard. :)
Some interesting thoughts for Friday
I forget the exact numbers, but Tropos recommends something like
20 APs /
square mile to get 95% coverage at b/g rates
49 square miles = 49*20 ~ 960 Aps
Part# MTR-52103000-500AA is a 500 pack of HotZone Aps on their
price sheet
that goes for about $1.5 million list So that's $3 million in Aps
-- for
simplicity -- lets assume that mounting hardware, power taps, etc
is equal
to the equivalent in discount Then we need to add in the additional
infrastructure, like backhaul SMs, Routers, Servers, etc and the
services
required to install / implement the system...
Experience from a similar type deployment (~40 square miles) pegs
the entire
project at about $5 million for E,F&I
Market Data:
Census information puts Anaheim w/ a population of 328k people (97k
households)
Median income for a household is $47k
According to the March 2006 PEW Internet report -- in 2006, 46% of the
population that makes between $30-75k / year have broadband at
home So the
total addressable broadband market in Anaheim is 46k subscribers
of which
99% today are probably using some sort of landline cable / dsl
broadband
solution that is bundled together w/ their TV/phone service
With a 10% penetration rate (that's ~5k subscribers) -- total
revenue comes
out to about $110k / month
Assuming ZERO marketing, provisioning, customer service,
bandwidth, support,
repair costs -- the breakeven point for this system is 5 years (ouch)
Lets look at fixed wireless
49 square miles is basically equivalent to a 4 mile ring around a
tower
Remember
Area = (Pie)(R)^2
A = 3.14*4^2
A Canopy SM (averaged b/n 900 & 5 Ghz) costs about $300 complete (w/
antenna, mounting hardware, power supply, etc) A Canopy AP costs
about $2k
complete (dividing up GPS sync, etc)
5k Canopy SMs would cost me about $1.5 million
The associated install costs (@ $50 / install) costs about $250k
At 50 SMs /
AP -- the AP costs runs around $250k Infrastructure / Hardware /
Switches /
Site Ac / Engineering / etc would cost about $100k (remember --
this is only
a 4 mile radius =)
Interesting Thoughts:
Moto-Mesh System Cost to service 5k customers within 49 square
miles: $5
million Canopy Fixed Wireless System Cost to service 5k customers
within 49
square
miles: $2.5 million
Hrm...
-Charles
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EarthLink Unwires Anaheim, Announces Wholesale Program By Tara
Seals Posted
on: 06/29/2006
EarthLink Inc. launched a municipal Wi-Fi broadband network in
Anaheim,
Calif., and announced a wholesale Wi-Fi access strategy on Thursday.
EarthLink has won bids in several cities to provide citywide wireless
Internet access, including Philadelphia and San Francisco, but
Anaheim is
its first commercial launch. It's also the first piece of a
strategy to
create a nationwide footprint of municipal Wi-Fi networks by tying
together
all EarthLink municipal markets under one service.
Hand in hand with creating the footprint will be an open-access
wholesale
program. The ISP already has two national wholesale partners,
announced
today: PeoplePC Inc., EarthLink's wholly owned subsidiary, and
DIRECTV. It
also plans to partner with local ISPs that want to provide Wi-Fi
service in
their respective markets.
The portable, wireless service will provide high-speed Internet
access for
residents, businesses, visitors and municipal employees. Anaheim's
49-square-foot buildout is expected to be completed by the fourth
quarter.
Curt Pringle, the mayor of the city, officially unwired the city at a
wire-cutting ceremony this morning.
"The days when Anaheim residents, workers and visitors are tied to
a desk to
access an affordable broadband network are coming to an end," said
Garry
Betty, president and CEO of EarthLink. "The launch of this network
enables
people to make a choice about how, and from where, they want to
access the
Internet securely."
For $21.95 a month, Anaheim subscribers receive eight mailboxes and
protection tools such as a spam blocker and security, and will be
able to
access the Internet from across the municipality, whether sitting
in a park,
at a café or elsewhere. Customers also can purchase a Wi-Fi modem for
at-home use. In addition, EarthLink has reached a nonbinding
agreement with
AOL LLC and is discussing ways to offer its AOL.com content and
Web assets
on the municipal footprint.
The network also will serve city departments and businesses;
EarthLink's
wireless network offers speeds comparable to existing T1
solutions, the
company says.
For occasional-use customers, EarthLink offers rates ranging from
$3.95 for
a one-hour pass to $15.95 for a three-day pass. Occasional-use
customers
will connect and access account information from the EarthLink
portal page.
Consumers can visit www.EarthLink.net/wifi
<http://www.EarthLink.net/wifi> and provide their phone numbers
and addresses to see if the network has been built out in their
area. If
unavailable, they will be added to a waiting list and will be
notified when
the service is available.
As for infrastructure, EarthLink has deployed Tropos Networks'
MetroMesh
Wi-Fi routers on light poles throughout the city to form a
wireless mesh
that is operated and optimized using Tropos Control and Tropos
Insight, a
suite of end-to-end configuration, monitoring and maintenance tools.
EarthLink also uses Motorola's MOTOwi4 portfolio of products,
including the
Canopy high-speed backhaul and Wi-Fi mesh network equipment.
EarthLink Inc. Wi-Fi www.earthlink.net/wifi
<http://www.earthlink.net/wifi> Motorola Inc. www.motorola.com
<http://www.motorola.com>
Tropos Networks www.tropos.com <http://www.tropos.com>
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