Patrick, I agree and appreciate you frustration on this issue! I too remember when I had to compete in the computer business when we only offered FCC certified computer systems, but the 'shade-tree' computer builder was peddling his goods for less money. It wasn't fair to those following the rules.
However, today we are still here and all of those 'shade-tree' resellers have long come and gone from my area. I also point out that the a major difference here is perspective...Most of those that are non-compliant are using the 'shade-tree' talents for their own 'internal' use and not reselling uncertified systems to my knowledge. The different perspectives...using one's own concoction vs. a vendor selling a non-certified system against a certified one, is a value proposition for the purchaser to consider. Are there any differences in law to using vs. selling non-certified equipment? I would hope the non-compliant user is aware of their potential liability and has factored that into their 'cost of business' if enforcement is applied on them. - Cliff -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Patrick Leary Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 1:32 PM To: WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Re: Dealing with bad players (was SPAM ?...) How many of you operate in farm country? You got any problem with illegal produce flooding your market? I bet your community might have something to say about that. Are you asking if those of us who have the ethics to make the required investments to operate legally in this country (and in every country we operate in) want protection from those who are illegal? Why we have some gall, don't we? Listen, we sell into literally over 150 countries. We spend massive amounts each year to be compliant with the regulations of each country. Compliance often requires specific hardware or software changes, not merely certification. Do I want respect and protection from those who by intentionally ignore the rules are able to sell at lower prices? You darned sure bet I do and I have more than an expectation of such -- I have a right. In your world a competitive operator should be able to get space on your tower for free, or at least erect one without having to go through the local bureaucratic hurdles. In your world anyone should be able drive anything on the freeway, and if you get hurt, too damned bad. Forbes, what you are advocating is called relativism. Relativism is an insidious problem that grows roots and proliferates if not brought under control. Or maybe you only care about rules that when violated damage you? Such an attitude is dangerous and selfish. Patrick Leary AVP WISP Markets Alvarion, Inc. o: 650.314.2628 c: 760.580.0080 Vonage: 650.641.1243 [EMAIL PROTECTED] -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Forbes Mercy Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 11:14 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List Subject: RE: [WISPA] Re: Dealing with bad players (was SPAM ?...) Amen to that, it's called 'Vendor Protectionism'. I remember when the companies doing low voltage pre-wiring in buildings lobbied to make only certified contractors be able to do Cat5/6 work in housing and an Apprentice Program was required. They knew full well that if another company wanted to go into the wiring business, like a WISP who wants to wire the rest of their house, they would not be able to because no competitor would allow my employee to get Apprentice training from them to compete against them. It's using the law to protect your income and the most ridiculous use of the law. I agree that if there is good power usage and the same interference as caused by certified gear, leave them alone. WISPA is a lobbying group for a easier access to frequencies and a group that educates each other as to the best methods and equipment. As soon as we become an exclusive trade group that tries to force people who don't agree with us out we have lost our mission and become just another scared industry that tries to hide behind the law instead of helping people get Internet where they couldn't before. I battle competition by being better at marketing and service not by some law or exclusive club; it's called the free market place with minimum government interference. Forbes Mercy President - Washington Broadband, Inc. -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blair Davis Sent: Thursday, February 08, 2007 10:57 AM To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] Re: Dealing with bad players (was SPAM ?...) I've been sitting back watching this debate/holy war for a day or so now and decided to throw my $.02 in.... I'd bet that the vast majority of 'bad operators' are only 'bad' due to lack of certification. Most do not run over power limits. Most do not operate outside the UL bands. If you want to help reduce over-powered or out of band operation, I'm with you. But, if it turns into a witch hunt for those who, other than certification, operate within the part 15 rules, count me out. Too many 'rules for the sake of rules' already. This reminds me of the 'professional installer' debate from about 4-5 years ago. Much ado about nothing. PS Every FCC enforcement official I have met has said the same basic thing.... If your power is legal, and you are operating in the UL bands, we have better things to do than come check to see if you have the right stickers on your equipment. This is not to say they can't. It is to say this is the way things work in the real world. -- Blair Davis AOL IM Screen Name -- Theory240 West Michigan Wireless ISP 269-686-8648 A division of: Camp Communication Services, INC -- WISPA Wireless List: [email protected] Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ -- No virus found in this incoming message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. Version: 7.1.411 / Virus Database: 268.17.31/676 - Release Date: 2/8/2007 -- No virus found in this outgoing message. Checked by AVG Free Edition. 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