..."But if you wish to become an advocate for this industry,..."

LOL, but for better of for worse Mark, that happened a long time ago.

As for the FCC protecting Alvarion's interests. Don't make me choke with
laughter. The FCC could care a less about the welfare of our company and
that's not something they should necessarily care about. I can also say
that our company to this day has never hired a lobbyist to press for
anything in DC with the FCC, the FTC, the DoD, the NTIA, the USDA, or
the local PTA for that matter anyone else...at that is to my everlasting
frustration. Anything done on that front at Alvarion has been mostly me
and me alone, and originally my efforts were entirely unsanctioned. And
the best I have time to do is adhoc and insufficient. Fortunately, when
it comes to standards group work (e.g. the IEEE and ETSI), they've
always done the opposite and worked like unrelenting sled dogs since the
mid 19990's.

Patrick Leary
AVP WISP Markets
Alvarion, Inc.
o: 650.314.2628
c: 760.580.0080
Vonage: 650.641.1243
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of wispa
Sent: Sunday, February 18, 2007 8:55 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: [WISPA] No, Patrick, it's not about the stickers...

On Sun, 18 Feb 2007 09:32:42 -0800, Patrick Leary wrote
> "Sticker conscious?" So this is what we've become as an industry?
> Following the very clear laws, which were once again just reiterated 
> to us after another in a long chain of WISP visits, or not has now
been
> reduced to simply being "sticker conscious" or "not sticker
conscious"?
> Why not go further and call yourself "Illegal and proud" or just "I
> don't give a ____"? Let's not have any more "gee, I can't afford to 
> be legal!" That's not an argument that is credible today, with the
range
> from legal cheap to premium CPE running from about $170 to sub-$300 -
> - that's cheap.

No, Patrick, it's NOT about the sticker.  It's about the fact that I can

assemble a geek squad of a few people, that, using freely available
software 
and cheap and easily available hardware, can BUILD FOR OURSELVES better 
priced and 'better suited for WISP use' equipment in a few weeks than 
Alvarion, Motorola and Trango have managed to do in years.  

Not only are we better, we're faster, we advance quicker, and we do more
with 
less, AND CAN PRODUCE IT ALL COMPLIANT WITH THE TECHNICAL LIMITS OF THE
LAW, 
faster than any larger company can dream of doing.  Why?  Because we
live in 
a free country and we have free minds.  But we can't do it legally.
Why?  
Because the rules now PREVENT us from doing it and protect the interests
of 
Alvarion and Motorola, rather than enhance the industry. 

It's because the best and brightest DO NOT build systems.  The best and 
brightest at building sofware are building software.  The best and
brightest 
at building cheap radios are doing so.  And the rest of us are
assembling the 
parts we need to do the job that NO MAKER OF CERTIFIED GEAR HAS YET TO
ASPIRE 
to, much less produce.  WE ARE CAPABLE of putting those bits together,
like 
it or not.  

That's why Apple Computers based the latest iteration of their operating

system on something produced mostly by amateurs and geeks and ordinary 
schmucks....for FREE.   It was better than ANYTHING Apple could pay any 
number of software engineers to build on their own.  Period.  Thus,
FreeBSD 
became the basis of OS X.  AGain, the capability of the ordinary
schmucks 
proved to be a giant leap ahead of the #2 choice in pc's.  


> 
> My God, 5.4 is going to be a massive mess. OET will have to install a
> special phone line just to handle the incoming DoD complaint calls.

Well, certainly, NOT A ONE OF US ON THIS LIST wants that.  But if you
wish to 
become an advocate for this industry, THEN STOP DEMANDING WE STOP BEING 
CREATIVE AND ADVANCING OUR INDUSTRY AND INSTEAD BE HELD BACK BY YOUR
COMPANY 
AND THE OTHER "manufacturers", and start helping us get a legal and 
regulatory environment that works, instead of one that's hopelessly
broken, 
so we CAN. 

I hate to break it to you, but if today, Alvarion, Motorola, Trango, and
a 
host of other names like them vanished from the map, the WISP business
could 
and would go on, and we could do it purely with the talents and skills
that 
exist with the individual operators.  

TURN IT LOOSE instead of attempting to bottle it up.  Or is your loyalty

purely to the company and not to US?


> 
> Patrick Leary
> AVP WISP Markets
> Alvarion, Inc.
> o: 650.314.2628
> c: 760.580.0080
> Vonage: 650.641.1243
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 
> On Behalf Of Sam Tetherow Sent: Saturday, February 17, 2007 9:37 PM 
> To: WISPA General List Subject: Re: [WISPA] cost effective reliable 
> 5.8G cpe suggestions?
> 
> RB112+CM9+Rootenna if you are not sticker conscious.
> If you are sticker conscious I use the Tranzeo TR5a-24/20 with 
> MT/CM9 setups and they work great.
> 
>     Sam Tetherow
>     Sandhills Wireless
> 
> rabbtux rabbtux wrote:
> > Not to stir the "fcc sticker" debate, but what gear is out there
today
> > that is compatable with a MT/SR5 access point?   Looking for lower
> > cost CPEs for 1-5 mile deployments.
> > Thanks
> 
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