The upstream doesn't know what customer has what IP addy. I don't know how
that would work George...
marlon
----- Original Message -----
From: "George Rogato" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
Sent: Wednesday, February 21, 2007 8:55 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Fw: Fw: [isp-wireless] FBI .......... Changed to
CALEAand WISPs...
That was an excellent thing to do Marlon.
Big pat on the back :)
I would hate to be the person that believes they don't have to file
because of a post on a list.
The only way I would NOT file something is if my attorney who I knew had
direct contact with their attorney(s) told me he received in writing an
opinion that we did not have to file.
if the attorney I used a couple months ago on a contract thing told me I
didn't have to file, I wouldn't believe him.
It's too serious and the fines are just too stiff.
Very scary stuff.
But I would like the group that goes to DC this next trip to specifically
ask:
If an ISP hands out static Public IP's to every customer and his upstream
is calea compliant, is he covered, assuming no voip is involved.
George
Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
Hi All,
I hate confusion and unanswered questions.
So I sent this thread (names removed) to the HEAD of the CALEA group at
the FBI. I've already been talking to Maura so I thought this
appropriate.
Anyway, the word from the top is that if you are a facilities base
provider you fall under CALEA just like you do the 477 and 445 at the
FCC.
I'll let folks know more when I know more.
laters,
marlon
----- Original Message -----
To: 'Marlon K . Schafer 982-2181' ; 509 Sent: Wednesday, February 21,
2007 11:12 AM
Subject: Re: Fw: [isp-wireless] FBI .......... Changed to CALEA and
WISPs...
Hi Marlon,
First, sorry I missed your folks last week. Unfortunately I was
stuck in Albany, NY for several days because of a blizzard. Second,
thanks for sending this email to me. I can see that there is some
confusion about who must comply. It's hard for me to tell from the email
trail what services the WISP member is providing. As we talked about
before, if a provider is offering Broadband Internet Access or VoIP to
the public then that provider must be CALEA compliant by May 14, 2007.
I'd be happy to meet with folks from WISP in the next couple of weeks so
we can talk through these issues. Thanks, Maura On Wed Feb 21 10:29 ,
"Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181" sent:
Hi Maura,
At the risk of seeming silly, and in the hopes that this gets no one in
trouble, I thought that you should see this thread from a public mailing
list. I'd like your comments on the accuracy of what we've been told
here.
The basic thrust of this is that we, as small rural wisps, won't have
to be calea compliant for various reasons.
I'd like to get our meeting with your team rescheduled as soon as it
makes sense. A couple of weeks down the road should give me time to find
people in the area that can attend.
Assuming that something has been lost in the interpretation here, we
really really need to get a wisp/small operator standard in place before
the final deadline.
Thanks!
Marlon
(509) 982-2181 Equipment sales
(408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services
42846865 (icq) And I run my own wisp!
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> To: <isp-wireless@isp-wireless.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 1:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [isp-wireless] FBI .......... Changed to CALEA and
WISPs...
>
>
>> Yes. I told them I had a T1 to my location and provided wireless >>
broadband connections to customers.
>>
>> He told me the FBI side of CALEA was only interested in the VOIP >>
carriers. He said he had many calls
>> to make for the forms filed by those that didn't need to.
>>
>> He did say and I did mention, this call was only for the FBI side
and >> that the FCC still has their side
>> of this requirement and send a letter to me after if they are not >>
interested in us.
>>
>> His phone number 703-632-6163, I don't remember his name, I was
driving >> when he called.
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>>
>> To: <isp-wireless@isp-wireless.com>
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 20, 2007 1:25 PM
>> Subject: Re: [isp-wireless] FBI .......... Changed to CALEA and
WISPs...
>>
>>
>>> What I'm reading is you told them you are NOT a carrier.
>>>
>>> Key word is CARRIER.
>>>
>>> Did you tell them that you bought your internet from an upstream
>>> provider and installed your own equipment such as radio transmitters
and >>> routers and sold service to the public across your own network
which you >>> own and operate?
>>>
>>> I think there would be quite a few more questions to be asked
before I >>> would assume I was clear that "I" did not have to file.
>>>
>>> It's easy to take the first NO answer and run with it, but due
diligence >>> would require that you have a very indepth and revealing
conversation >>> with them.
>>>
>>> The fines are mighty stiff and if your right, which I would hope
you >>> are, I would want to be 1000000% right.
>>>
>>> I doubt I could afford a lawyer to get me out of this sort of mess
with >>> a huge beaurocracy like the FBI-Justice Dept.
>>>
>>> Just trying to be carefull.
>>>
>>>> Yes, here is what happened.
>>>>
>>>> Prior I was told by Mr. McCain to file the forms on time because
he >>>> didn't think he could get answers
>>>> quick enough.
>>>>
>>>> Today I received a call from the FBI CALEA group in Arlington
County, >>>> Virginia telling me I did not have
>>>> to worry about being CALEA compliant for them because I was not a
>>>> carrier. I did not provide VOIP,
>>>> (Not the same as re-selling) If I was not the carrier of the VOIP
I was >>>> not required to be CALEA compliant
>>>> for the FBI. Even if I re-sold VOIP services, I was not required
to be >>>> compliant for CALEA on the FBI side
>>>> the actual carrier was. Vonage, Packet8 etc..
>>>>
>>>> They did tell me they could not send me the letter that I was not
>>>> required to be compliant, that the FCC still
>>>> had to do their part of the CALEA. The FBI only receives a copy of
the >>>> form, The FCC also has their part for
>>>> the filing. It's a two agency FCC & FBI form share. I have to wait
for >>>> them to send a note to the FCC they
>>>> do not require me to be compliant and then the FCC should send me
>>>> something.
>>>>
>>>> But as far as the FBI was concerned, I have nothing more to worry
about >>>> for them. I filed the form even that
>>>> I had nothing on the form but the business name and my contact
number, >>>> I filed on time. That's all that was
>>>> required. They can not fine you if you don't know how to fill out
the >>>> form. It's up to them to decided if they
>>>> want any more. The phone call lasted about 5 minutes, and that was
it. >>>> They made a note of the phone call.
>>>>
>>>> One down and Two to go.
>>>>
>>>> Hope this helps a few.
>>>>
>>>>
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