I agree. I see it this way too. I can't see them forcing CALEA onto hotspot operators like McDonalds, Starbucks, etc. Technically they're a WISP too. I'll operate my service just like they do. What about muni-WIFI? How does CALEA play into that?
If this goes the wrong way, I'm going to convert all of my customers to prepaid hotspot users, anonymous (nothing but a card #). You take the equipment, install it where you want and the most I'm going to know is that it's on Tower B, Sector 3 and they have a 77% signal. Go find them. ----- Original Message ----- From: "wispa" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]> Sent: Thursday, March 08, 2007 4:48 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] calea meeting with the fbi > On Thu, 08 Mar 2007 10:24:12 -0800, Jack Unger wrote > > Mark and Butch, > > > > I want to thank both of you. > > > > I feared that the quality and tone of this discussion was taking a > > negative turn but I WAS WRONG. > > > > I've found your discussion of the CALEA issue and the ramifications > > to the WISP industry to be interesting, informative and valuable. > > I'd like to commend both of you gentlemen for having the commitment > > and the courage to share your opinions in this open forum. > > > > Your discussions have helped me to clarify the CALEA issues in my > > mind. Hopefully it will help others to clarify their thinking as well. > > > > Although your political views may not be perfectly identical to each > > other, I sense that you both respect the Constitution and the Rule > > of Law and that you both want to do what you believe is correct. > > > > Thank you again. > > jack > > Thanks Jack. Pardon me while I say one last bit on this rant. > > The RIGHT way this is to be done, is for the FCC to "un" rule we're > telecommunications providers, the same for VOIP and so on, and let the DOJ > and FBI go back to Congress, who re-writes the rules, and supplies the funds > to implement whatever it is they really want, and complies with our > Constitution. > > In the meantime, let them ask US how data extraction works, let US find ways > it can be done, develop "reasonable" levels we should be required to go > through to attempt to recover the data they want. > > Just like CALEA did for the telcos, they can fund the software changes and > implementation costs - Let law enforcement come meet us and ask US how best > to get ahold of data tehy want or need. > > In the meantime, this idea of open-ended demands with obscure requirements > and almost laughably vague language needs to be tossed down the drain. > > Let them develop ways and means of talking IP to us, let Congress fund that > research so THEY do the conversions, not us or someone we're supposed to > freaking PAY to do it for us, and then we need a target of what and how to > deliver data. > > Yeah, we're going to have to meeet with the FBI and DOJ and develop > reasonable mechanisms... but it should be them asking US, not us coming > around with our hat in hand saying "please don't bury us in costs for some > arcane type of mechanism that's not even workable on our networks" with a big > hairy fine as a stick big enough to bury small guys like me. One single 10K > fine and i'm bankrupt. And the rules offer no recourse. Doesn't actually > MATTER if you think you comply. If it doesn't work in the end like they > want, the fine can be levied anyway and capriciously. This is wrong too... > Vague laws are unconstituional, we all know that. > > But most of all, it needs to be voted in Congress. Let Congress take the > heat like they should, when they have to vote to spy on your internet use - > and require everyone to be "ready". > > This whole thing is a tragedy of spineless beaurocrats. Congress wrote a > law, the law was obsolete in a very short period of time, but rather than get > Congress to fix its own mess, the DOJ and FBI and FCC are attempting to > misapply a law, and since they cannot spend federal money without Congress > voting it for them, they're attempting to dump the cost on us. The DOJ > rather than face Congress and public opinion, sought to get a shortcut from > the FCC, who rather than demand it be done right, simply sidestepped and > dumped the responsibility to object UPON US, by writing patently wrong rules > that deserve to lose instantly if legally challenged, so THEY didn't have to > argue. And we, ( Yeah, I consider myself guilty ) did not object. Heck, we > DIDNT EVEN KNOW BECAUSE WE WERE NOT LOOKING. > > This is wrong on so many levels, it reeks. What's worse, is that it CAN lose > in court, it can be challenged and beaten in court, and if that happens, then > literally, the FBI And DOJ are without the legal tools they probably ought to > have. > > I know, this isn't supposed to be a political list...and I'm not being > partisan here. We're businessmen second, after we're citizens. We SHOULD > object when stuff is done wrong. Why do you think Congress appropriated > money for CALEA in the first place? Because no way could they have gotten > away with NOT doing it. > > It's our ( collectively... including me ) fault for not objecting long ago... > But if we don't, we have done ourselves a disservice. We've done our country > AND OURSELVES a disservice by letting bad law, bad precedent, bad policy be > implemented that will eventually have bad results, probably for all involved. > > If we don't object, if we don't stand up and make it be done right, we'll > simply find more of the same piled on top of CALEA. And we'll have set the > precedent that it's perfectly fine and we'll cooperate. IT WILL BE TOO LATE > to set things right without a HUGE fight. > > We need the public on our side. We need to get with the various legal groups > who exist to help stop this kind of abuse. We need to indicate both our > approval of the notion that lawful intercept is necessary and that we're > certainly willing to do so, but that it MUST be done right. > > We do this, and we gain stature, with the FCC, with Congress, with the > public. It won't be pretty, it won't be fun, and it can certainly turn > sour. You just can't lose when you stand up for doing the RIGHT thing. > > It just requires leadership, clear stands on principle, and the nerve to > actually take a stand, rather than just go along with the expedient means. > > I beg of you... Rethink... > > GROW A PAIR already. Get a backbone. Do the right thing. > > > -------------------------------------------- > Mark Koskenmaki <> Neofast, Inc > Broadband for the Walla Walla Valley and Blue Mountains > 541-969-8200 > > -- > WISPA Wireless List: [email protected] > > Subscribe/Unsubscribe: > http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless > > Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/ > > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.413 / Virus Database: 268.18.8/714 - Release Date: 3/8/2007 > -- WISPA Wireless List: [email protected] Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wireless Archives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
