wispa wrote:
On Mon, 12 Mar 2007 15:47:20 -0400, Peter R. wrote
During the Brand-X Supreme Court case, the DEA, the FBI and the DOJ
clearly spelled out that ISP and VoIP traffic would need to be CALEA
compliant. It isn't the FCC, it is the DOJ.
Oh, please. The DOJ doesn't write law. the DOJ wants EVERYTHING. If it
were up to them, they would intercept every packet of data and every voice
transmission, and they've all but said so. Too bad. That's wrong, and
that's the truth.
You don't think this rule came down from the Bush Admin to the FCC?
Your statements take us back to all the "lobbying efforts" that
CLEC's and ISP's have ever done: Don't regulate us - just them.
That's not how it works.
If you'd read what I say, instead knee-jerk reaction, you'd know this was
wrong.
This isn't knee-jerk. This is what I have found over the last 7 years.
You guys do complain loudly but do very little action.
It is left to the few to fight for the many.
You want UL spectrum. You want more of it.
But this is not a one-way street.
I have to give up my constitutional rights to get the FCC to carry out it's
assigned duties? Hell no!
Where in the constitution does it say anything about this???
Wiretap is law. Has been since 1934.
To get you have to give.
You have to fill out your forms without whining so much.
You have to be able to help the Department of Justice catch the bad
guys - without the bad guys knowing.
Again, here we go again. You make up stuff and then slam me for it. I don't
get it. CALEA is not applicable law. It is WRONG for the feds to require US
to pay for what they want. Period.
You want to be a bank, you have a laundry list of regs you have to
implement.
You want to be a public company, bang 2 years ago SOX rules are applied
and now public companies spend billions to comply.
You want to be a healthcare provider, you better be HIPAA compliant at
your cost.
Do you not get that? That's why CALEA contained a half billion dollars, to
fund the changes that they wanted implemented, and it was a VERY NARROW LAW.
Just because the DOJ and FBI suddenly show up and ask for the moon is no
reason under the sun to even suggest we should go along with it. They don't
write the law, AND CONGRESS DID NOT WRITE ANY LAW TO APPLY TO US!!!!! The
FCC has misapplied via "opinion" that it does, when it does not.
The same way any agency applies law. But this one was held up in federal
court.
Where does it say in the act of 1934 that you can have UL spectrum???
Where in the law - since there was no law, right? This is the FCC
opinion - does it say $500M?
You said there was no law. So how did $$ get appropriated?
In the CALEA Act of 1994 there was probably money, but it has probably
been spent too.
This review states that providers had to pony up.
http://www.is-journal.org/V02I03/g-park.pdf
For data, it doesn't appear that bad. You have to have a CALEA compliant
router at egress. Cisco is compliant.
The standard is ATIS –T1.IPNA –ISP data (brand new).
You just need to capture IP traffic at the point of egress and VPN it to
the FBI transparently.
For VoIP, it is much more difficult.
When Patrick says herding long tail cats in a roomful of rocking
chairs, he is almost accurate.
(It is actually MUCH harder than that in this "industry").
The squeaky wheels are few but much larger than the silent majority.
But typically they can ruin it for the lot.
RUIN???? Ruin what? Do you ACTUALLY think all this stupid brown-nosing is
going to buy us something? Please. That's being more gullible than the
emperor's cheering squad.
Those of us who have the guts to speak up are the only ones who appear to
have ANY interest in your future at all.
How is complying with the law brown nosing?
How is yelling on a public forum that I'm not going to comply helpful?
You think that will get YOU any where???
Have you taken any steps to share your thoughts directly with your
Congress Critter, the FCC, or the Feds?
Did you activate your million person network to complain?
WISP's want more spectrum. You can't get it if you don't play the game.
CLEC's did not learn a lesson in the last 10 years. It took me 6 to
figure out what the game was.
Another helpful document from Verisign on CALEA:
http://gullfoss2.fcc.gov/prod/ecfs/retrieve.cgi?native_or_pdf=pdf&id_document=6518176688
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Mark Koskenmaki <> Neofast, Inc
Broadband for the Walla Walla Valley and Blue Mountains
541-969-8200
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