So once a non standard connector becomes an Industry Standard then you
will find it in most supply stores.  Also, what sort of supply store?
Radio Shack or Electrocomm?  Radio Shack might have the N connector,
but it is likely suitable for VHF use only.  Microwave quality is not
mainstream, so does that mean an AP can use a Microwave rated N
connector?  I would think so.

Lonnie

On 4/26/07, Jack Unger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Here's one definition that the FCC has used for "unique connector".

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A "unique connector" is one that is not of a standard type found in
electronic supply stores.

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jack


Lonnie Nunweiler wrote:
> I am still wondering what is meant by "unique" for the connector.
> I've seen you write that the N connector is NOT allowed.  Why is that?
>
> Lonnie
>
> On 4/26/07, Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Under the normal Part-15 rules, the only devices allowed to have a "non
>> unique" connector are devices labeled for and sold only to "professional
>> installers".
>>
>> The problem is, there isn't really a good explanation of what a part-15
>> professional installer is.
>>
>> What I've been told by the FCC is that the intent is that any device
>> where
>> it's easy to mix and match parts (remember that you could only use
>> specifically certified antennas before 2005) was to only be sold to a pro
>> installer.  Literally, it was illegal for a vendor to sell us an ap
>> without
>> also including the cable and antenna for it.
>>
>> To be a pro installer we're supposed to have been manufacturer trained
>> on a
>> specific piece of gear (I was trained on p-com and wmux gear in the
>> bad ol'
>> wpcs days).  The reasoning was that it's possible to use a certified
>> combination of radio, cable, and antenna, and STILL exceed the EIRP
>> limits.
>> So we're supposed to have been trained on the device so we'd not
>> accidentally assemble and configure an illegal version of a legal kit.
>>
>> The new rules specifically say that these rules do NOT apply to a device
>> designed for a professional installer.  If you're not sure that your
>> device
>> is for a pro installer, look in the manual.  If it's got an n
>> connector on
>> it, it should also say that it's only available to professional
>> installers.
>>
>> That rule has been TOTALLY ignored by everyone.  We are, as users of this
>> gear day in and day out, assumed to be professional installers so we
>> don't
>> have to buy devices with only unique connectors or buy only in kits
>> (like a
>> Linksys dsl router etc.).
>>
>> Again, I'd LOVE to see a real mix and match capability where we could use
>> anyone's radio with anyone's amp and antenna.  But they clearly aren't
>> yet
>> ready to go there.
>>
>> Just to make sure I'm reading this correctly, I've asked for some time
>> with
>> the head of OET (the FCC folks that write these rules).  I'll pass along
>> what he says once I'm able to talk to him about it.
>>
>> Hope that helps,
>> Marlon
>> (509) 982-2181
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>> 1999!
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>> www.odessaoffice.com/wireless
>> www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message -----
>> From: "Lonnie Nunweiler" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]>
>> Sent: Thursday, April 26, 2007 9:02 AM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Modifications of Parts 2 and 15 of the,Commission's
>> Rules for unlicensed devices and, equipment approval
>>
>>
>> >I saw nothing about an N connector being disallowed.  It simply says
>> > that the connector(s) must be unique, and my contention is that an N
>> > connector is just as unique as a U.FL or RP-SMA.  Once something
>> > becomes an Industry Standard it sort of loses its uniqueness.
>> >
>> > Since every system must have an antenna and for maintenance purposes
>> > that antenna must be removable.  Just try and unsolder an antenna lead
>> > while hanging off a tower.  I doubt that is their intention and thus
>> > they would certainly allow a removable antenna.
>> >
>> > I do agree that they are worried about the consumer gear and having
>> > Joe Schmoe hook up a larger antenna to his Dlink, LinkSys or Zcom
>> > consumer router.
>> >
>> > For the ISP market the rules must have a bit more common sense, and I
>> > did see that in the document.  I felt it was a very positive step and
>> > one that will help the Industry in general.
>> >

(earlier discussion pruned)

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