Sam,If you are a Christian you know there is no such thing as a "living" Saint, we only make them Saints after they are gone. O:-)
You have a Good Day now, Carl A Jeptha http://www.airnet.ca Office Phone: 905 349-2084 Office Hours: 9:00am - 5:00pm skype cajeptha Sam Tetherow wrote:
Gee Marlon, this sounds a lot like the debate between you and Travis except you are on the other side ;)Quite honestly I don't blame Mark K at all. He has been trying to do here what everyone has been "whining" at him to do but no one seems to want to listen to it.He has been trying to rally the members of this list and WISPA to stand up to what he feels is an unjust ruling by the FCC. He has tried to oppose it on several levels, from a "it's not fair to the little guy" standpoint such as you are attacking here, to a "it's not constitutional" standpoint which gets him called a paranoid anti-government crackpot. For the most part he has been answered by personal attacks despite his taking the high road in trying to argue the issues. People have even gone so far as suggest a limit on posting and that he has ruined the usefulness of the list.Yet it seems to me that both Jack Unger and Matt Liotta do understand the "unfair to the little guy" standpoint and have posted about it without all the uproar that Mark gets. As for me, I'm taking a pragmatic approach. I have utilized the deal that WISPA worked with Kris T and I plan to comply to the best of my ability with any legal subpeona. If what I am able to do is not good enough I'll fire the customer, which I assume will get me in trouble, be fined $10K a day and go out of business. I honestly don't see any other alternative for someone of my resources and I am sure there are plenty of us out here in this boat.Marlon can make all the guarantees about the FAQ he wants but until the law reads in agreement with the FAQ it is just a handshake deal with people from the FBI and FCC who don't have power to set policy anyway. If we were talking about POP agreements I don't think anyone on this list would think it would be acceptable business practice to rely on a verbal agreement for access to a tower, yet this is what the FAQ really is. I'm not trying to put down what the CALEA team did or that the FAQ is useless, but when non-compliance becomes an issue it is not the FAQ that is going to stand in a court of law, it is the CALEA rules and regulations.I for one agree almost 100% with everything Mark has said, but then again I am a right wing extremist crackpot who believes in much the same things the founding fathers did.I look forward to having this debate over beers at ISPCON this spring with anyone who wants to have it. Yes, through the generousity of Peter R who provided me with a full conference pass, those going will have to put up with me ;)Sorry to see Mark K. go if he really does leave. He has had some very good ideas and I've looked forward to reading his opinion on many of these topics as I have come to value his insights.(Sorry this post was so long, there was plenty more I had to say but I hate long winded posts, thanks for reading this far...)Sam Tetherow Sandhills Wireless Marlon K. Schafer (509) 982-2181 wrote:Mark, not picking on you here. But.If you were to quit typing out reams of emails and worked on getting more customers you'd be able to deal with the problem better.OR, if you, like sometimes happens to us, are outgrowing your cashflow, go get a part time job to help fund your business. Many of us here have done side work. Heck, some of us still do!All of this has been a fun discussion but it's pointless beyond a certain point (probably days ago :-). You can whine about it all you want. Still gotta do it.Go get a job, fund your business and grow bigger and faster. Whining to us feels good but it fixes nothing. And, it's preaching to the choir. Most of us here AGREE with your point, however, the fact remains that we have to do certain things so that's where the effort is going. The time for changing minds is long past.Marlon (509) 982-2181 (408) 907-6910 (Vonage) Consulting services42846865 (icq) WISP Operator since 1999![EMAIL PROTECTED] www.odessaoffice.com/wireless www.odessaoffice.com/marlon/cam ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mark Koskenmaki" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> Sent: Tuesday, May 01, 2007 9:41 PM Subject: [WISPA] Ok, here's my CALEA statement, and farewell.I hereby declare that I am NOT a facilities based provider, since I do not have any physical point on my network that can be tapped, mirrored, probed, or otherwise possible to intercept. I have no "equivalent" to a switchednetwork. There you have it.We're putting my network your mouth is, folks. Continually, there is the statement that nobody will be requied to change their network. We'll see how true to their word the government is. Trusting government's word is THE definition of ultimate stupidity, but I have no other choice. My prediction is that those statements are only words, and it will ultimately be proven atotal lie. Now, I HAVE a suggestion for LE for how to get information, and I'll behappy to help them do it, but my particular network simply has NO possible mechanism. I have spent weeks trying to figure some possible way to meetthe definition of "compliance" but it isn't possible. Of course, this is of no help to the poor people who now face seriousfinancial issues. I regret that WISPA refuses to officially go to bat forthem.For that matter, I regret wasting WISPA's time. You fine folks are now reading my last post to anything related to WISPA and on any WISPA list. When WISPA turned it's back on the small people, and started insisting thatdefending right and good was no longer allowed by a "mature" industry,defining "mature" as being absolutely blind to issues of right / wrong or even recognition that government is overreaching, it lost my support. When it became downright hostile to the interests of us as people, it set up itself as something I am hostile to as a matter of principle. As one of ourforefathers said, the price of liberty is eternal vigilance. Not justduring speeches, not just as talking points during elections, but in EVERYaspect of our lives, be it religious, business, political, social, andeducational. When hostility to the notion of defending ourselves againstoverreaching government is displayed for purposes of expedience orconvenience or "ingratiating ourselves with those in power", then I cannot in good conscience support or be associated. Sorry. If principle isn't worth defending and upholding, it's not principle, just "public stances". I will never regret upholding principle, but I will certainly regret NOT.I have very much enjoyed some of the conversations over the many moons, the awesome character and generosity post Katrina displayed by so many, and some of the great people I've conversed with and some of the most fascinating andthought provoking discussions over the many months I have been here. A few years ago, I would have probably kept my mouth shut and just gonealong. But no more. I have had more than enough. I decided that I will live, speak, and associate according to my best conscience. It applies even to my business and how I treat my customers. My first taste of this was when I turned down a job because it required me to violate my conscience. I was unemployed and utterly broke. Some thought me insane, but just days later I had a real job, with pay dramatically exceeding the one I turneddown...and I got to live and work the highest ideals.Seriously, folks... It's been a fascinating ride, and I have no hostility to any of you, though we disagree or agree or dont' even understand eachother. I'll be easy enough to find elsewhere... Just look for the fanaticly devoted wireless and freedom advocate, and I'll be there. Later, folks. -- WISPA Wireless List: wireless@wispa.org Subscribe/Unsubscribe: http://lists.wispa.org/mailman/listinfo/wirelessArchives: http://lists.wispa.org/pipermail/wireless/
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