I have been looking into wholeselling these cards with the routers bundled
together.  Mostly for customers who are outside of my converage area.  Will
let you know more about it, specifically sprint is running EDVO RevA, cards
get a good 1.5 meg down, latency to the first hop varies, from 40ms to about
500ms.  Avg though with nothing else running is about 40-80ms.


Dennis


-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of John J. Thomas
Sent: Saturday, May 12, 2007 11:30 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Try it out vs. Cingular

Sprint EVDO is $59-79 per month, and there are hardware routers that accept
the card.

John

>-----Original Message-----
>From: Pete Davis [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>Sent: Friday, May 11, 2007 05:09 AM
>To: 'WISPA General List'
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Try it out vs. Cingular
>
>The $10/mo for web access with Sprint ONLY applies to the use on the 
>phone. When you plug in the data cable, and use it as a modem, its like 
>$0.30/kb. Learning that lesson cost me.
>The unlimited phone-as-a-modem or data card rate is around $39/mo.
>
>Does anyone know if there are drivers/capabilities to link a data card 
>to a Mikrotik or StarOS box? I guess that there are other Linux drivers 
>out there, so my thinking may work.
>I have considered for some time the possibilities of making a box to 
>mount in my car (car-puter) with a Sprint (or Cingular, or Verizon, or 
>whoever) cellular type data connection, with a WIFI client as the 
>primary (or secondary) mode of connection. With DDNS, access to the dash 
>mounted camera, GPS stream, etc should be easy enough, making it a 
>roll-your-own LowJack type system. Also, in the car, an ethernet jack to 
>plug a laptop into could be nice, as well as opening the possibilities 
>to put in an ATA to make VOIP calls, as well as adding a WIFI AP. $39/mo 
>for unlimited data connectivity, especially if it gives the 
>speed/latency required to do VOIP, seems like a bargain compared to 
>$129/mo for 2000 minutes. I guess a Windows-based system could do all of 
>those things, but the RAM/processor/etc/boot time/bluescreens associated 
>with Windoze don't seem to make it conducive to this type of project, IMO.
>
>The car-puter installation plan things that I have read about seem to 
>focus on GPS and MP3 playing. Since my wreck 6 yrs ago, where I couldn't 
>prove to the insurance company (5 eyewitnesses from every direction from 
>the intersection and a police report weren't good enough) that I had the 
>green light. I have been thinking about a car-mounted DVR with cameras 
>in the grill, the dash, and in the back to offer video defense in a car 
>accident claim. Showing the judge, the insurance agent, or whoever a DVD 
>of the video surveillance of the accident could save a lot of time and 
>hassle.
>
>What I wish someone would sell for a car (these things probably all 
>exist in one form or another with various systems) is a computer that 
>will act as a:
>    DVR security cam recorder (cam pointed at the driver seat to 
>prosecute the car thief, + cams on bumpers to witness accidents)
>    Data port (ethernet + WIFI AP)
>    Web server (with DDNS support to access the stored data, even when 
>the car is away from the house, like at an impound yard or after being 
>stolen)
>    MP3 player
>    Realtime ODBII scanning/recording/diagnostics of the car.
>    VOIP system.
>    GPS stream recording. (to show he teenage driver when/how fast she 
>was really driving)
>
>I would think that these things could all be incorporated for under $2k, 
>mounted in the trunk, and it would be something that would sell like 
>crazy for $3k installed.
>
>I guess what I would like is a retail version of this with more features:
>
>http://www.popsci.com/popsci/how20/d04305f2dbbf1110vgnvcm1000004eecbccdrcrd
.html
>
>pd
>
>
>Rich Comroe wrote:
>> What a rip!  Sprint told me it's only $300-400 to get out of a Sprint 
>> contract.  What's it cost to early terminate a Cingular contract?  Why 
>> doesn't he just terminate?  Getting a $1200 monthly bill is 
>> ridiculous! UNLIMITED data to a Sprint windows phone is only about 
>> $10/month, and there's no way to limit it to not operate tethered to a 
>> computer (other than unreasonably large download usage).  And it's 
>> EVDO, so it blows away that measley 125 - 175 kbit.  I really think 
>> those PCMCIA cards are a rip-off for service cost compared to just 
>> getting unlimited data service to your cellphone.  I love ppc6700 
>> windows phones ... a lot lighter and smaller than a laptop yet nearly 
>> as capable.
>>
>> Rich
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Hammett" 
>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]>
>> Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 8:08 AM
>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Try it out vs. Cingular
>>
>>
>>> oh, I'm most certainly under $1200, even for a whole year.  :-p
>>>
>>> Anyone have experience getting out of a bad Cingular deal?
>>>
>>>
>>> -----
>>> Mike Hammett
>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "Scott Reed" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: "WISPA General List" <[email protected]>
>>> Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2007 7:48 AM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Try it out vs. Cingular
>>>
>>>
>>>> Even if he can't get out of the Cingular contract, I would think 
>>>> paying you your normal rates would cost less than $1200 to 
>>>> Cingular.  Suggest that your unlimited service is still less 
>>>> expensive than overages.
>>>>
>>>> Mike Hammett wrote:
>>>>> I have a potential customer that wanted to "try out" my service.  
>>>>> He's got money, so I wasn't afraid he was looking to get something 
>>>>> for nothing.  He has Cingular now and can only get 125 - 175 kbit 
>>>>> out of it. I clearly can provide a faster less latent service for a 
>>>>> lower monthly cost (costs him $70/month).
>>>>>
>>>>> Apparently he wasn't on the unlimited rate plan and got hit with a 
>>>>> $1200 bill.  He doesn't think he can get out of his Cingular.  *argh*
>>>>>
>>>>> That said, can anyone think of a way to hookup a standalone fax 
>>>>> machine with the Cingular card?  I can't contemplate anything at all.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> -----
>>>>> Mike Hammett
>>>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions
>>>>> http://www.ics-il.com
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> -- 
>>>> Scott Reed
>>>> Owner
>>>> NewWays
>>>> Wireless Networking
>>>> Network Design, Installation and Administration
>>>> www.nwwnet.net
>>>>
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