Frank - Muto had a very valid reason to "whin" as you say it. Muto pays WISPA a good amount of $$ to be a Vendor Member of WISPA. Dee has contributed nothing other then for his own personal gain.

For Dee to make an appology and then change his signature to reflect another "free plug" was a bit out of line I think.

Either way, paying members are what are going to get things done for our organization. If a vendor is going to support us financially, then we need to stand behind them and support them in anyway possible as an organization. And if that means slapping the hands of vendors that don't pay, when they get out of line, then so be it.

I don't feel Rick, George, Muto was immature or out of line in bringing this to as someone said "the rubber meets the road".

JohnnyO
----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Crawford" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
Sent: Thursday, May 17, 2007 2:35 AM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email


Muto whins, Rick responds, George puffs up and threatens Dee, Dee apoligies,
Muto dis's the apology.

Very mature guy's.


----- Original Message ----- From: "Frank Muto" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 6:10 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email


That was not the point and now you changed your signature to promote your
products, nice. The point is that you are promoting your services, nothing
wrong about it really, but pay for it. If you do not see any value in
paying
for the privilege to participate as a vendor sponsor of WISPA, then stop
acting like one.

Talking about products, pro-cons, best use, warranties etc., is all well
and
good. But to directly solicit business on this WISPA list-srv with a
competitive product, is not an acceptable practice in my opinion.

Apology not accepted.



Frank Muto
President
FSM Marketing Group, Inc
Postini Partner Reseller
www.SecureEmailPlus.com

ISPCON Spring 2007
May 23-25 in Orlando, FL.
LaunchPad Pavilion J









----- Original Message ----- From: "W.D.McKinney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
Sent: Wednesday, May 16, 2007 9:37 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email


> Hi Frank,
>
> I was not saying anything for or against you, Postini or Barracuda.
> If you you took offense at my statements, my apologies.
>
> Cheers,
> -Dee
>
>
> Alaska Wireless Systems
> 1(907)240-2183 Cell
> 1(907)349-2226 Fax
> 1(907)349-4308 Office
> www.akwireless.net
> Barracuda Networks Diamond Reseller
> Imagestream Router & WAN Cards
> Force10 Networks Reseller
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Frank Muto
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> To: WISPA General List
> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Wed, 16 May 2007 16:55:33 -0800
> Subject:
> Re: [WISPA] Outsourced vs in-house email
>
>
>> As a PAYING supporting vendor of WISPA and co-sponsor for ISPCON, I
take
>> offense to this direct marketing of a competitive service. Last I
looked
>> on
>> the WISPA website, neither Barracuda or Alaska Wireless Systems had a
>> logo
>> displayed, unless you are a paid associate vendor.
>>
>>
>> Frank Muto
>> President
>> FSM Marketing Group, Inc
>> Postini Partner Reseller
>> www.SecureEmailPlus.com
>>
>> ISPCON Spring 2007
>> May 23-25 in Orlando, FL.
>> LaunchPad Pavilion J
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "W.D.McKinney" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>
>>
>> > Hi Folks,
>> >
>> > As a Diamond Reseller for Barracuda Networks, we take the pain out >> > of
>> > dealing with issues the best we can for our customers. The issue of
>> > selling a used Barracuda is like a lot of hardware vendors. It >> > varies
>> > on
>> > which entity you are dealing with as to the answer you will get.
>> >
>> > We move customers off Postini regularly due to issues they have >> > them,
>> > so
>> > it depends what side of the coin you are looking at. (Only the
>> > experienced
>>
>> > walk with a limp)
>> >
>> > We also take the pain of ownership out for folks and filter e-mail
for
>> > WISP's as they frequently need a lower cost solution.
>> >
>> > Cheers,
>> > -Dee
>> >
>> > Alaska Wireless Systems
>> > 1(907)240-2183 Cell
>> > 1(907)349-2226 Fax
>> > 1(907)349-4308 Office
>> > www.akwireless.net
>> >
>>
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