I definitely would recommend learning it or at least getting familiar with
it.  There is not enough on it yet to transition your entire network over to
it, but, it is definitely doable for transit within your network and
replacement for private IPs for your customers.

Not that any of these are marketable--yet.  However, three or four years
down the line, I think that you'll start seeing this as creeping into
transit connections as well as requested by some business customers; for the
latter, being able to say "yeah, we've been doing that for 4 years" instead
of "I think I can learn that by the time your circuit is provisioned" is a
good thing :)

David, would you mind contacting me off-list (or on) with the name/model of
the router that doesn't support IPv6?  I work as a consultant for a company
that fits the description, so I'm kinda curious--most of the stuff out there
can support IPv6 (well, in the "core router" category).

As mentioned, there are a number of "free" "tunnel" connections; these are
useful for playing, although keep in mind that you don't own the space or
the connection--don't deploy anything serious on it.  (Although, as a side
note, usually the "small chunk of addresses", at least through HE.net, is
18,446,774,073,709,551,616 IP addresses (/64). ie 1.84x10^19 !)  You can
also get a block for free from ARIN if you pay your dues regularly; I
believe that renewal is also free if you have an IPV4 block through them.
BTW, if you don't have your own ARIN block, you definitely should strongly
consider getting one.  $2000-4000 / year is a small price to pay for having
provider independent IP space and the freedom to switch carriers at will
without having to worry about transitioning.

-Clint Ricker
Kentnis Technologies

On 5/25/07, David E. Smith <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Mike Hammett wrote:

> There is a separate IPv6 Internet.  You need to buy your IPv6 service
> from a different provider that support it.

If you can find one :(

There's a few places (Hurricane Electric, SixXS, OCCAID) that are more
or less involved in IPv6 stuff, but they generally only work by way of
tunneling.

There's also the issue of network gear that supports it. In the next few
days, I'm deploying a brand new core router that we just paid about
three large for (brand name intentionally left blank, but it's a big
enough company that you've probably heard of 'em). As near as I can
tell, it doesn't support IPv6 in any form or fashion.

> Once I get settled and can afford the separate IPv6 feed without an
> immediate return, I'll be getting it.  Everything I have is Mikrotik and
> they should have IPv6 implemented at some point.

For small-scale experiments and such, this should be nearly (or totally)
free. I've had an IPv6 tunnel on my desktop for a couple years now.
Never used it for anything besides looking at the dancing turtle,
really, but it's there. If you don't feel like getting a direct IPv6
allocation from ARIN (assuming you already get direct IPv4 allocations
from them), SixXS can set you up with a small chunk of addresses, more
than enough to play around with, and unless it's changed very recently
they'll do this for free.

As an aside:

http://www.ipv6experiment.com/ <-- THIS is the way to promote IPv6 ;)

David Smith
MVN.net
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