How is having a discussion about a real issue hijacking a list?  What
is so hard about ignoring a thread?

On 6/12/07, Mike Hammett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Well, I think we're evolving past I say this because I want to and you say
that because you want to into a discussion citing facts and posing real
questions to the powers that be.


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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
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----- Original Message -----
From: "Marty Dougherty" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'WISPA General List'" <[email protected]>
Sent: Tuesday, June 12, 2007 8:39 AM
Subject: [WISPA] LIST HIJACKED AGAIN


> This list has been hijacked AGAIN by a few folks who send never ending
> emails-day and night-  please stop, your killing the usefulness of the
> whole
> thing.
>
> Marty
>
> ___________________________________________
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>
> "The way to get started is to quit talking and begin doing."
>
> -Walt Disney
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
> Behalf Of George Rogato
> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 10:42 PM
> To: WISPA General List
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Babble
>
> I wonder how many wisps who would usually discuss their infrastructure
> and talk about their issues and performance of the equipment they are
> using, etc, no longer say a word on this list because of the fear
> mongers who have them running scared?
>
> We used to have lots of wisps discussing this stuff in detail, not any
> longer.
>
>
> Matt Liotta wrote:
>> This has become a ridiculous thread. Dawn's customer experience is
>> irrelevant in this case. Plenty of operators who have lots of customers
>> (including me) understand and agree with the position presented. Don't
>> kill the messenger! The FCC makes the rules; not Dawn or me or any of
>> the other folks who have made accurate statements regarding
>> certification. Use of certified equipment is required by law. Many
>> people break laws for a variety of reasons, but that doesn't change the
>> law. For example, everyday I drive over the speed limit and occasionally
>> I am fined for doing so.
>>
>> -Matt
>>
>> Brad Belton wrote:
>>> "How would the number of customers I had on my network have any
>>> bearing on
>>> this discussion?"
>>>
>>>
>>> Well, it's a lot like having a medical intern weigh in on what a
>>> resident is
>>> more qualified to answer.  Certainly the intern is not to be considered
>>> a
>>> dummy, but the intern's general lack of tenure, real world experience
>>> and
>>> overall knowledge can not be considered equal to an experienced
>>> resident.
>>>
>>> Questioning your ISP experience and specifically your fixed wireless
>>> experience is certainly relevant to this discussion.  Anyone that has
>>> scaled
>>> their operation beyond a few dozen or even a few hundred clients knows
>>> the
>>> difficulty and complexity is compounded.  It is quite a different
>>> animal to
>>> run an ISP with several thousand users behind it as compared to a few
>>> hundred.
>>>
>>> No offense is intended Dawn.  I enjoy reading your posts and agree
>>> with your
>>> FCC Certification Crusade, but until you have walked a mile (or more
>>> in many
>>> cases) in the shoes of those you are speaking of many will rightly
>>> question
>>> what you offer here as the gospel.
>>>
>>> Best,
>>>
>>>
>>> Brad
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
>>> Behalf Of Dawn DiPietro
>>> Sent: Monday, June 11, 2007 2:37 PM
>>> To: WISPA General List
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] MT Babble
>>>
>>> George,
>>>
>>> As I said in my post wireless providers do not get to decide what has
>>> to be certified this is up to the FCC and if there are any questions
>>> they need to be clarified not argued against which seems to be the
>>> norm among some on this list.
>>>
>>> How would the number of customers I had on my network have any bearing
>>> on this discussion?
>>>
>>> Regards,
>>> Dawn DiPietro
>>>
>>>
>>> George Rogato wrote:
>>>
>>>> Dawn,
>>>>
>>>> Just how many wisp customers did you have in your short career as a
>>>> wisp?
>>>>
>>>> Why is it that some people who don't actually participate in running
>>>> a wireless service want to come in and try to tell us how to run our
>>>> wisps?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Dawn DiPietro wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> All,
>>>>>
>>>>> I have come to the conclusion that there are some on this list that
>>>>> think FCC certification is up for debate. There may be a need for
>>>>> clarification in some cases but like it or not the FCC has the final
>>>>> say in what can and cannot be certified.
>>>>>
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Dawn DiPietro
>>>>>
>>>
>>>
>>
>
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