The downside may be that creating such a licensed operator program may
not be feasible and could possibly attract attention (negative
attention) to the WISP industry. I am not saying that is how it would
go. I am just saying that there needs to be more thought given to this
idea of a licensed operator program for WISPs. I am not convinced that
this is needed or that it will fix any problems. In order for this type
of a program to fix the problems then people who use the gear would need
to get their operator's license. If the FCC will not enforce the rules
in place now then what makes you think people will abide by the new
licensed operator rule any more than they would the current rules?
I think if we had one minor change to the rules which stated that as
long as EIRP and oob emission standards were met using certified radio
devices then any combinations of passive devices, SBCs and software
connected to those certified radios would be legal. That should be the
crux of our petition if one is made. I think the licensed operator idea
is a great concept that will likely not be logistically or feasibly
practical to implement or lobby for passage of. If we cannot get the
relaxation of the certification rules then I doubt any other idea for
allowing this to change will succeed.
Scriv
Marlon K. Schafer wrote:
Ralph, does it help that we're talking about a certified operator
program? Not just allowing anyone to mix and match anything they
want. Basically we'd create a new licensed unlicensed operator.
What's the down side?
marlon
----- Original Message ----- From: "Ralph" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org>
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 9:13 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Mikrotik as an Orinoco AP-1000 Replacment
Of course you can build a radio kit from Ramsey, but you won't be
using it
on commercial frequencies. You know that's what I was talking about.
You don't put Ramsey in the same category as Moto, Kenwood and Icom.
Hams cannot build equipment for resale, Ham gear may not be used on
non-ham
frequencies or the Ham will lose his LICENSE.
TV and radio stations are under very close scrutiny from the FCC to stay
within the guidelines of their LICENSE. Enen a small modification to
their
tower or their transmitting frequency or direction can get them fined.
Do you see the common key word in the above sentences? LICENSED. The
WISP
equipment we are discussing here is not licensed.
There is a large difference.
It would be nice if there was a way to mix n' match radios, antennas and
whotnot any way we wanted, but I just don't see it happening.
The PC industry and the industrial control industry are not building
transmitting systems. Its not even apples and apples.
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Marlon K. Schafer
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 11:58 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Mikrotik as an Orinoco AP-1000 Replacment
Ralph, as a matter of fact, you CAN build your own radios...
http://www.ramseyelectronics.com/
I'm saddened that anyone in this industry would not want the ability
to mix
and match CERTIFIED components. It's done all of the time already.
Both in
our industry, the PC industry, industrial controls etc. etc. etc. etc.
Oh yeah, let us no forget about the hams. They don't even have to use
certified components! They can build the whole thing from the ground up.
Seems to me that radio and TV stations can also built transmit sights as
they see fit. THEY are the responsible parties.
But that's all ok. If we get our way you'll still be able to buy that
certified system! No problem with that.
laters,
marlon
----- Original Message ----- From: "Ralph" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org>
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 5:03 PM
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Mikrotik as an Orinoco AP-1000 Replacment
Yep, and addition to being fully FCC Part 15 certified, I plugged it
in with
a UL approved Power cord too :-P I don't need to justify legality to
allow
someone to rationalize illegality. Sorry
As well known as you are to Mikrotik Butch (even I was about to hire
you for
some MT Router work), why don't you encourage MT to make some certified
designs?
WISPA's wish for a do it yourself palette of devices to cobble
together and
be certified is a pipe dream. The FCC doesn't work like that. If they
did,
then Kenwood, Icom, Motorola, and the others would already have
do-it-yourself commercial radio kits. And you'd be able to go to Radio
Shack
and buy a kit to build a microwave oven project.
How can we WISPS as an industry just blatantly defy the rules. Because
they
are silly doesn't void them, nor does it give us the authorization to
ignore
them. Does someone need to get fined and made an example of?
-----Original Message-----
From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On
Behalf Of Butch Evans
Sent: Thursday, August 30, 2007 5:56 PM
To: WISPA General List
Subject: RE: [WISPA] Mikrotik as an Orinoco AP-1000 Replacment <snip> I
suppose you are using a complete certified system with the Orinoco AP?
(radio, pigtail, enclosure, cables, antenna) Just for all our
comfort, can
you provide the FCC IDs on the gear you are using? <snip>
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