Just out of curiousity, all of you who have AP problems because of bit torrent: what APs are you using?
Thanks, Clint On Nov 22, 2007 11:41 PM, Scottie Arnett <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I put a connection limit on all traffic from ports 1024-65535, because the > torrent has to use a connection somewhere and usually the bit progs are set > to use somewhere above port 1024. That will not help on UDP or the ones > using port 80. I have another connection limit set higher on all tcp > connections to try to help combat the port 80 users. > > ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- > From: George Rogato <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org> > Date: Wed, 21 Nov 2007 19:15:14 -0800 > > >Thats my point. I use star and it has all the layer 7 stuff built into > >the cpe. I can control to my hearts content. Generaly I put a switch in > >or bridge the linksys wifi router and take control there. If I had to > >and I did one situation, I can give daddy one set of rules and little > >abusing johnny another. > > > >for the most part, I don't have too much to worry about, it's not being > >able to tightly control the encrypted stuff that is the issue. > > > > > > > >CHUCK PROFITO wrote: > >> You are nuts or spoiled on 5 gig or have fiber stuffed up every tower. > 1 > >> P2P on a 2.4 rural ap opening 100+ connections will packet flood an ap > in > >> about 1 minute. 2.4 will only realistically deliver 5 megs per radio. > 1 P2P > >> uploading to 60 plus users will be slowed enough to bring the bits per > >> packet way down, then the packet flood ensues. Now put six sectors on > a > >> tower, with 300+ subs, 10 megs of back haul, then add 6 P2P and on top > of > >> that add three or four bit torrent users with 50 or 60 connections each > down > >> loading the best movie ever from Netflix, and now your backhaul starts > the > >> flood too.. And you are 30 miles from the fiber head in. Yeah, > right... > >> Don't tell me not to shape the traffic. > >> > >> Chuck Profito > >> 209-988-7388 > >> CV-ACCESS, INC > >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] > >> Providing High Speed Broadband > >> to Rural Central California > >> > >> > >> -----Original Message----- > >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > >> Behalf Of George Rogato > >> Sent: Wednesday, November 21, 2007 6:42 PM > >> To: WISPA General List > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vuze / Comcast / Peer to Peer / FCC > >> > >> > >> Come on, you guys that sell "slow" broadband generaly don't have too > >> much to worry about. It's not like if you got an ap that does 10 megs > >> and you sell 50 512k subs that the one or three out of 20 running p2p > is > >> going to be very noticable. > >> Try giving those 50 equal access to the full 10 megs and see what > >> happens then, if you don't throttle the p2p. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> Travis Johnson wrote: > >>> Hi, > >>> > >> If your network can't handle a small amount of p2p > >>> traffic, you have bigger issues. :) > >>> > >>> Travis > >>> Microserv > >>> > >> > >> > >> > >>> George Rogato wrote: > >>>> How do you cap the encrypted stuff? > >>>> > >>>> > >>>> Travis Johnson wrote: > >>>>> Hi, > >>>>> > >>>>> First let me say that we cap p2p traffic during the business day, > >>>>> but > >>>>> otherwise we let it run wide open. However, we sell our connections > >>>>> based on speed. Whatever they pay for is what they get... none of > >>>>> this burstable stuff, etc. If they want 512k, they pay for 512k. If > >>>>> they want 1meg, they pay for 1meg. > >>>>> > >>>>> The problem with bandwidth caps of xx gigs per month is that NOBODY > >>>>> else is doing it... not DSL, not Cable, not any of my wireless > >>>>> competitors, etc. Once you start putting that limitation on their > >>>>> connection, they will start switching to something that does not > have > >>>>> caps. If you have bandwidth limits in place already, there is no > need > >>>>> for the monthly limits. (This does not mean we allow 24x7 bandwidth > >>>>> usage, but we allow "reasonable" usage). > >>>>> > >>>>> Travis > >>>>> Microserv > >>>>> > >>>>> George Rogato wrote: > >>>>>> I think the way to go is to be able to identify the various types > >>>>>> of > >>>>>> traffic and rate limit them. > >>>>>> And once we can do this, then it's time to pull out the menu of > >>>>>> various offerings we can provide. > >>>>>> Want a 3 meg x 3 meg burstable connection with a sustained traffic > >>>>>> rate of 1meg x 256k and bandwidth cap of x gigs, it's price "a", > >>>>>> want a higher something in your package, it's price "b". Want > >>>>>> something different, then it's price "c". > >>>>>> > >>>>>> The sub can choose. Once they choose they know what they bought. > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> > >>>>>> Mark Nash wrote: > >>>>>>> This is a good debate. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> What you mention here, George, is something that's been on my mind > >>>>>>> for the > >>>>>>> last year or so. As Lingo/Slingbox/Netflix/Vonage/etc/etc/etc > make > >>>>>>> $$$ off > >>>>>>> of our connections, where's our cut? The customer is paying for a > >>>>>>> connection, yes, but at what point do we start charging more as > >>>>>>> this content > >>>>>>> proliferates through our networks? Bandwidth is getting cheaper > >>>>>>> per meg, > >>>>>>> you can get a bigger pipe for less per meg, you can do things to > >>>>>>> lower the > >>>>>>> cost of bandwidth. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> However, that should give US a better cash flow model, so we're > >>>>>>> not so squeezed out that we feel like not providing service > >>>>>>> anymore to folks who desperately want it. With more and more apps > >>>>>>> providing high-throughput > >>>>>>> content, it could easily offset the savings that can be realized > by > >>>>>>> going > >>>>>>> with a bigger/cheaper pipe. IF IT IS UNCHECKED. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> My whole part in this discussion has been focused on not letting > >>>>>>> our customers cost us more than they are paying us, and I still > >>>>>>> say that deploying a system that allows us to be compensated for > >>>>>>> heavy usage is a valuable consideration in any business plan for > >>>>>>> an ISP. Bandwidth shaping, > >>>>>>> bandwidth caps, bill for overages, dedicated bandwidth option. If > >>>>>>> you have > >>>>>>> this in place, you really need not worry about anything else with > >>>>>>> respect to > >>>>>>> high bandwidth usage. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> IMHO. > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Thanks everyone for listening to my half-rant. I'm going to get > >>>>>>> something > >>>>>>> done now. ;) > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> Mark Nash > >>>>>>> UnwiredOnline.Net > >>>>>>> 350 Holly Street > >>>>>>> Junction City, OR 97448 > >>>>>>> http://www.uwol.net > >>>>>>> 541-998-5555 > >>>>>>> 541-998-5599 fax > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----- From: "George Rogato" > >>>>>>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > >>>>>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > >>>>>>> Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2007 8:51 AM > >>>>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Vuze / Comcast / Peer to Peer / FCC > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Another thought is > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Why wouldn't Vuze have to pay Comcast for using the Comcast > >>>>>>>> network to > >>>>>>>> support it's business plan. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> If they are relying on Comcasts network to store and send files > >>>>>>>> to > >>>>>>>> it's > >>>>>>>> customer base, why should they be treated for a free ride instead > of > >>>>>>>> using a hosting provider like Akamia. > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> Guess that is just as a significant point as any other, the fair > >>>>>>>> compensation for services? > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>>> ----------------------------------------------------------------- > >>>>>>>> --------- > >>>>>>>> > >>>>>>> ------ > >>>>>>>> WISPA Wants You! 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