I think the key would be that these portable devices require a AP to talk to, and that AP's be limited as licensed devices (like 3650). The protocol would need to be setup so that they do not talk unless they can hear a AP (and handshake a stable link). This is my opinion of the best middle ground (unlicensed vs portable devices vs fixed point wireless). I also agree in splitting the band so you have group A (out door fixed wireless), group B (short range, say 1000ft link). This would allow CPE to be designed from the ground up as node devices. Does this seam reasonable?
On 1/18/08, Mac Dearman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I have mixed thoughts about backing any stand that is for allowing portable > devices in this spectrum. I deal (daily) in a trash hole of spectrum because > of these very same "portable" devices. What do you Wireless Internet Service > Providers want anyway? Do you want spectrum that is fit to be used to > deliver quality broadband at higher rates of data transfer, better coverage > areas, spectrum that cuts the foliage like butter with a super low noise > floor that is allocated and kept up with by the FCC via their ULS site? - OR > - do you want to share the spectrum with every device known to China, Korea, > Japan and the USA as we fight (like we do today) to find a clean channel to > pass a few megs on? > > I don't know how the rest of you feel, but I joined WISPA to allow WISPA > beat the drums in DC for WISPs across the USA. I joined WISPA with the hope > that we will eventually get some spectrum that is fit to use without paying > $2.2 million for the rights to it. WISPA is IMHO just what it says - > WIRELESS INTERNET SERVICE PROVIDERS ASSOCIATION. I think we ought to go for > what is best for us as a whole. We don't have to alienate anyone and I would > suggest we do just the opposite - -befriend these guys, but be true to > thyself and thy industry first! I'm not ready to act like a politician and > throw out the baby with the wash water. I believe that we will eventually > get what we ask for - if we are persistent. Aligning ourselves beside the > "newly formed" (less than a month old) WIA is not going to hurt us if we > don't, but would absolutely give the WIA the clout to say they have all the > WISDPS supporting their stand - - and believe it or not guys - - DC hears us > loud and clear! There are FCC commissioners who know us by name, who we are, > what we are doing and what we are looking for out of them - let's keep the > bathwater warm and the baby in it. > > This is not the first time we have had to make a decision along these lines > and it won't be the last. Common ground is easily found and agreed upon > without swallowing the hook, line and sinker along with a dab of bait. There > are many issues that we could agree on/support with WIA - I am sure. > > One thing is for sure: If you support the newly formed WIA's stance on > utilizing TVWHITESPACE for personal portable devices you can look forward to > a ripped spectrum like we have now where we are all trying to make a living. > The WIA is comprised of companies like Microsoft, HP (delivering just what > we need - every printer will be spewing whitespace noise like they do in 2.4 > now) Dell (same thing) Google with their phones and little gadgets and > millions more. > > Sincerely, > Mac Dearman > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On > > Behalf Of Tom DeReggi > > Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 4:18 PM > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]; WISPA General List > > Subject: Re: [WISPA] [Fwd: Re: Wireless industry slams NAB's white > > space'misinformation'] > > > > Sascha's got a good point. > > > > So the question is.... If WISPA alienates groups lobbying for Public > > portable devices, Who all would still be allies with WISPA to fight for > > open > > access to it? > > > > Sascha infers, not many. What does WISPA think? As much as I respect > > how > > much WISPA has done so far to fight for the rights in 700, my personal > > opinion is WISPA does not have enough mucsle on its won to cause > > effective > > result. WISPA needs allies. Everyone I can think of that would be an > > allie, would want portable devices, except other WISPs. > > > > I truly hate this. It makes us chose between either "sound technical > > theory", versus "Politics", that otherwise might leave us empty handed. > > But > > that might be reality. > > > > I agree with Marlon, that with personal portable devices allowed, I > > don't > > see how it could ever work out to be effectively used by Fixed > > Broadband > > providers. > > But, maybe a better use for it, is for Portable devices, to give the > > Telcos > > some real competition, and WISPs would just need to modify their > > business > > model to benefit from it? > > > > Tom DeReggi > > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Sascha Meinrath" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <wireless@wispa.org> > > Sent: Friday, January 18, 2008 1:14 PM > > Subject: [WISPA] [Fwd: Re: Wireless industry slams NAB's white > > space'misinformation'] > > > > > > > Hi everyone, > > > > > >> Date: Thu, 17 Jan 2008 22:26:54 -0800 > > >> From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Wireless industry slams NAB's white space > > >> 'misinformation' > > >> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > > >> Cc: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> > > >> I've sent a note to WIA and asked if they'd be interested in a > > discussion > > >> focused on finding common ground between them and us. > > >> > > >> It's my belief that WISPA needs to fight tooth and nail to keep > > personal > > >> portable devices out of the whitespaces band. At least at first > > (really > > >> forever as far as I'm concerned). > > >> > > >> Anyone have a problem with that as a firm stance? > > >> marlon > > > > > > I'm all for firm stands, but not for self-destructive ones. Having > > been > > > working > > > on white space devices since 2004 and been here in DC working daily > > on the > > > issue > > > since last August, I can tell you that what Marlon is proposing would > > play > > > directly into the hands of the same telcos that would love to > > eliminate > > > competition from folks like independent WISPs. > > > > > > NAB doesn't want _any_ unlicensed devices -- whether portable or > > fixed -- > > > they're interested solely in a) no access to this spectrum and b) > > licensed > > > access if the first notion fails. If you jettison unlicensed > > portable > > > devices > > > you will lose the political support of both the industry players as > > well > > > as the > > > public interest community working to open this spectrum. At which > > point > > > you'll > > > have WISPA fighting against NAB (who'll then go to the telcos and say > > > "Hey, you > > > can have regional and/or national spectrum access if you join our > > side"). > > > Unlicensed portable WSDs might not be the optimal solution for WISPA > > > (though I > > > think that's debatable), but access to this spectrum would be a huge > > boon > > > to > > > WISPs across the country. What's being proposed would put WISPA on > > the > > > wrong > > > side of this battle, hurt our chances to get _any_ access to the > > spectrum, > > > and > > > may inadvertently end up harming WISPA members. > > > > > > This is an incredibly complex political issue; more importantly, WSDs > > are > > > built > > > to be spectrum-aware, which means that a lot of the messiness we've > > seen > > > in > > > 802.11 will be alleviated -- keep in mind we're also talking about a > > huge > > > swath > > > a spectrum with propagation characteristics that are quite different > > from > > > 2.4 > > > and 5GHz. I'm just worried that WISPA is about to weigh in on > > something > > > without > > > doing the necessary due diligence to know the ramifications of these > > > actions. > > > In the meantime, I would encourage folks who are interested in > > learning > > > about > > > WSDs to read New America Foundation's policy backgrounder: > > > > > > > > http://www.newamerica.net/files/WhiteSpaceDevicesBackgrounder120607.pdf > > > > > > In solidarity, > > > > > > --Sascha > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------- > > ----------- > > > WISPA Wants You! 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