Anyone doing a 20 MHz channel? Would that be enough capacity to allow for typical oversubscription on say a 10 meg client?
What does it cost to get the first AP up ($5k, $15k, $50k)? What does it cost to get additional APs up ($2k, $10k, $30k)? ---------- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "Jeff Booher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> Sent: Tuesday, April 22, 2008 12:46 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future > Chuck, > > Airspan / Aperto are both shipping 5x Ghz wimax products. > > Throughput is about 26mb peak for the Airspan product on 10mhz > channels, and 22mb on the Aperto product in 7mhz channels. Also, there > are ways to get around the exclusion zones, if you find out who the > licenseholders are. > > > > - > > Jeff > > On Apr 21, 2008, at 1:20 PM, CHUCK PROFITO wrote: > >> Patrick, >> Excellent point on channel sizes! >> So if WiMAX is released in unlicensed frequencies of 900, 2.4? , >> 5.X, 3.6 >> (we are in a big exclusion zone.) >> I imagine if you deployed in 2.4 it would smoke the home routers. >> Would our capacity double for the same channel sizes? >> Would it use the same channel sizes? >> Would it help with range and capacity? >> Will WiMax help tree penetration? Can Physics be bent? >> In legacy deployments, would or could it improve our back hauls? >> >> >> Chuck Profito >> 209-988-7388 >> CV-ACCESS, INC >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Providing High Speed Broadband >> to Rural Central California >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> On >> Behalf Of CHUCK PROFITO >> Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 10:01 AM >> To: 'WISPA General List' >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future >> >> Patrick, >> If not 70 miles and 30 mbps, >> what are the real numbers on the fixed, for say: >> 2 miles los? >> 2 miles wooded? >> 5 m los? >> 5 m nlos? >> 10 m los? >> 10 m nlos >> ?? >> Is this a fair question? >> >> Chuck Profito >> 209-988-7388 >> CV-ACCESS, INC >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Providing High Speed Broadband >> to Rural Central California >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> On >> Behalf Of Patrick Leary >> Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:14 AM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future >> >> The press has been wrong most of time, causing companies like ours >> great >> headaches. The stupid "70 miles 30 mbps" was the most absurd bit of >> hyperbole that the press picked up and repeated endlessly. >> Meanwhile, Mo >> Shakouri (the Marketing VP of the WiMAX Forum and an Alvarion exec) >> was >> trying to dispel that at every turn (I sat in on many of his public >> sessions). Others of us also were trying to correct the >> expectations. I >> did it in numerous analyst and press interviews. >> >> WiMAX is also doing well overseas, especially in Asia. WiMAX's >> greatest >> near term challenge in the U.S. is Sprint. >> >> Patrick >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> On >> Behalf Of Chuck McCown >> Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 8:57 AM >> To: WISPA General List >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future >> >> WiMax as hyped by the press is dead. No? >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Patrick Leary" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >> Sent: Monday, April 21, 2008 9:52 AM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future >> >> >>> I agree with the vast majority of what Chuck says here and only >>> partially disagree even on the WiMAX part (though I disagree strongly >> on >>> the "WiMAX is dead" part -- we have sold over $100M to date of it). >>> >>> The main takeaway with Chuck's post is that WISPs will have strong >>> opportunities for a long time to come, and I agree 110%. >>> >>> Patrick >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> On >>> Behalf Of Chuck McCown - 2 >>> Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 9:26 PM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Future >>> >>> WiMAX was dead, is dead and will remain dead. OK, not factually true >>> but >>> emotionally true. The cell companies will use WiMax frequencies and >>> technologies but they will be a premium service and not well suited >>> to >>> compete with us for point to multi point fixed wireless. It will >> never >>> live >>> up to the hype. >>> >>> All the cell data technologies will remain premium for folks on the >> go. >>> Cell does not want to squander the bandwidth to go after the value >>> driven >>> customer that love us so much. Cell is and will not be value leader >> for >>> >>> fixed wireless. technologies. >>> >>> 700 MHz is just not going to be used for anything other than more >>> cell >>> spectrum. The bands are narrow. Good for phone and limited amounts >> of >>> data. Great propagation. Problem with 700 MHz is that the size of >>> the >>> antenna will be problematic for really small cell phones. Less gain >>> than >>> the current 900 and 1800 antennas for the same physical sizes. Also >>> there >>> will be a few years of implementation due to moving some existing TV >>> stations. And some of them are not moving for some reason. I don't >>> know if >>> they get a special dispensation or what. >>> >>> All ILECs will continue to build out with fiber to the home. That >> will >>> erode market share for WISPs in some areas. This is a slow and >> capital >>> intensive process so no reason to get jumpy on that. Plus many folks >>> prefer >>> to deal with us vs a large public traded company. Superior customer >>> service >>> and support will always retain the customer. >>> >>> The cable companies will continue to shoot themselves in the foot and >>> drop >>> the balls. They are sooo freaked out by the erosion of customer base >>> from >>> DirecTV that they are not managing the IP side of the house as well >>> as >>> they >>> could. They will continue to get in a tighter and tighter cash >>> situation >>> from satellite TV pressing from one side and the ILEC FTTH (and us) >> from >>> the >>> other. >>> >>> In the meantime, we add VOIP, computer repair, data backup, web >>> development, >>> OTA HDTV install and maint, etc as cross sell and up sell >> opportunities. >>> >>> All of us can offer triple play if we team up with DirecTV or OTA >> HDTV. >>> OTA >>> HDTV is a wonderful opportunity for the next 18 months for the value >>> conscious customer. Stock UHF TV antennas and converter boxes and >> help >>> folks get their analog TVs converted over. Less work than a WISP >>> install >>> and you will lock in the customer even more with superior customer >>> service. >>> You can rent them the gear for $5/month and make it a low cost >> package. >>> >>> In 5 years hopefully your investment will be a cash cow and you will >>> ride >>> this horse until it dies. Perhaps other technologies will come along >>> for us >>> to deploy but I see our segment strong for the next 5 years. In 10 >>> years, >>> if we have not diversified, we will probably be hurting. >>> >>> Oh, and satellite ISP will never do much. Pesky physics. >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: "WISPA List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>> Sent: Sunday, April 20, 2008 6:44 PM >>> Subject: [WISPA] Future >>> >>> >>>> What do you see as the future of our industry over the next 5 years? >>>> >>>> AT&T is expanding U-Verse (will this be available outside of town?) >>>> Verizon is expanding FiOS (will this be available outside of town?) >>>> Cable will be using DOCSIS 3 >>>> 3G will gain more steam >>>> WiMAX will have larger and larger shares of the market >>>> 700 MHz will be in use possibly for data communications by the big >>> guys >>>> >>>> >>>> My banker asked me, so I figured I'd see what other's opinions are. >>>> >>>> My thought is that the big guys mentioned above will continue to >> avoid >>> the >>>> niche that we currently serve and we'll be able to provide better >>> services >>>> with more spectrum (5.4 GHz, additional 2.5 GHz, 3.6 GHz, possibly >>>> TV >>>> white spaces) and WiMAX. >>>> >>>> >>>> ---------- >>>> Mike Hammett >>>> Intelligent Computing Solutions >>>> http://www.ics-il.com >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>> >> ------------------------------------------------------------------------ >>> -------- >>>> WISPA Wants You! 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