But were those bands created for WISPS, or for all the home routers, telephones, etc and we get to piggy back on them? IMHO, the only thing I have saw the FCC do for WISPS is the 3650 band, and not all of us can use it.
---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- From: "Chuck McCown" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Reply-To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org> Date: Fri, 16 May 2008 12:19:39 -0600 >Hold your horses there a bit, the FCC is tasked to produce the highest and >best use for the public commonly held electromagnetic spectrum. They have a >stewardship and are "trying" to do their job. We exist due to the >relaxation of their modulation regulations and the fact they continually >elbow the hams off their turf. This is covered by the legal doctrine of the >"commons". I can remember when spread spectrum was not allowed (not too >long ago). I can remember when the ISM bands were created. The FCC is our >friend, whether or not you believe it. >----- Original Message ----- >From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >Sent: Friday, May 16, 2008 1:55 AM >Subject: Re: [WISPA]FCC approves new method for tracking broadbands reach > > >> They have EVERY FREAKING CHOICE IN THE WHOLE WIDE WORLD. >> >> They could hire a research company to physically find out and map it. >> they >> could poll the public and extrapolate. They could do ANY number of >> things >> that are NOT invasive to my business, my time, and my money. >> >> And instead of filing 2000 responses to the FCC telling them to "TAKE A >> LONG >> WALK OFF A SHORT PIER, WE'RE NOT YOUR SLAVES!!!!" instead we're here >> trying to console each other or something? >> >> It is not only perfect and right in THESE UNITD STATES to tell the >> government to get back in line, it is our civic duty. Congress has every >> right to tell the FCC to find out information. The FCC has no right >> whatsoever to demand we do its work for for free. >> >> And so, yes. We SHOULD object. Tell them HELL NO WE WILL NOT. And then >> back it by by NOT. >> >> Guess what, they'll do their jobs the right way then. >> >> What I want to know is who thinks they're going to benefit from playing >> footsies with the FCC? That's a one way street. We give, they take. >> Repeat ad nauseum. Maybe if we gave them some headaches, they'd think >> twice before they screwed us over repeatedly. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> <insert witty tagline here> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Marlon K. Schafer" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >> Sent: Thursday, May 15, 2008 7:47 PM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA]FCC approves new method for tracking broadbands reach >> >> >>> That's not quite accurate. There is a law on the books that directs the >>> FCC >>> to find out such info. They have no choice. >>> >>> And, unfortunately, far too many people have ignored the reporting >>> requirement so the numbers that the FCC has collected are pretty >>> worthless. >>> Everyone knows it. >>> >>> We are simply reaping what we've sown. >>> marlon >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General List" >>> <wireless@wispa.org> >>> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 12:43 PM >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA]FCC approves new method for tracking broadbands >>> reach >>> >>> >>>> Sigh. >>>> >>>> I am in an industry filled with jellyfish. >>>> >>>> It is unbelievably depressing. >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>>> <insert witty tagline here> >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Brian Webster" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 12:37 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA]FCC approves new method for tracking broadbands >>>> reach >>>> >>>> >>>>> There are ways to do this in GIS software and I thought I heard mention >>>>> that the FCC was going to provide a site to do this as well. The census >>>>> block is the smallest sized geographic polygon that they use as a unit >>>>> of >>>>> study at the Census Bureau. You can download the raw data and create >>>>> them >>>>> yourself. The process will be to geocode (address to lat-long match) >>>>> your >>>>> customer address list then overlay that with the census block data. >>>>> Most >>>>> GIS >>>>> tools will then be able to add a column with the census block ID each >>>>> customer falls within. The exceptions to this will be PO boxes since >>>>> they >>>>> will not geocode properly to the actual customer location. >>>>> If the FCC can not provide a tool to do this I am sure I can figure >>>>> something out that we could provide to paid WISPA members. >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Thank You, >>>>> Brian Webster >>>>> www.wirelessmapping.com <http://www.wirelessmapping.com> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -----Original Message----- >>>>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>>> Sent: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 3:00 PM >>>>> To: WISPA General List >>>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA]FCC approves new method for tracking broadbands >>>>> reach >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> I'm curious to know WISPA's official position on this is. >>>>> >>>>> Looking back in the archives, I see little discussion about this, but >>>>> the >>>>> only way this information is going to be obtained, is if ISP's are >>>>> required >>>>> to determine the location of each census unit and then plot on maps of >>>>> the >>>>> census unit each customer and count them up. At this moment, I have >>>>> no >>>>> idea what a "census unit" is, how it is determined, or even how to find >>>>> out >>>>> that information, much less plot hundreds of customers spread over >>>>> thousands >>>>> of square miles. Frankly, I haven't the time. >>>>> >>>>> Unless software exists to automate this, this is going to be rather >>>>> man-hour >>>>> intensive for anyone with more than 20 broadband customers. >>>>> >>>>> Is WISPA going to lobby to defend us from this big pile of free labor >>>>> the >>>>> FCC wants us to do so they can claim political credit, or are they >>>>> going >>>>> to >>>>> sell us down the river by lobbying for it? It seemed that no >>>>> organized >>>>> resistance existed for the first mandate to report, and unless we start >>>>> defending ourselves from the do-gooders in DC, we're going to end up >>>>> with >>>>> mountains of work and nothing but a headache and some legal papers from >>>>> bankruptcy court to show for it. >>>>> >>>>> Every industry I know of is VEHEMENT in telling the federal goverment >>>>> to >>>>> back off from mandates... Why does the ISP industry just keep rolling >>>>> over >>>>> and getting reamed? >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >>>>> <insert witty tagline here> >>>>> >>>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>>> From: "Rick Harnish" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>> Sent: Saturday, May 10, 2008 6:03 AM >>>>> Subject: [WISPA] FCC approves new method for tracking broadbands reach >>>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> HYPERLINK "http://www.wispa.org/?p=215"FCC approves new method for >>>>>> tracking >>>>>> broadbands reach >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Filed under: HYPERLINK "http://www.wispa.org/?cat=1"General at 7:02 am >>>>>> HYPERLINK "http://www.wispa.org/?p=215#respond";(no comments) HYPERLINK >>>>>> "http://www.wispa.org/wp-admin/post.php?action=edit&post=215";(e) >>>>>> >>>>>> WASHINGTONAs expected, federal regulators on Wednesday voted to >>>>>> overhaul >>>>>> the way they measure how widely broadband is available across the >>>>>> United >>>>>> States. >>>>>> >>>>>> For years, the Federal Communications Commission has been drawing up >>>>>> reports >>>>>> on the state of U.S. Internet access availability based on methodology >>>>>> that >>>>>> considers 200 kilobits per second (Kbps) service to be high >>>>>> speedand >>>>>> such >>>>>> access to be widely available even in ZIP codes that may, in reality, >>>>>> house >>>>>> only one connection. >>>>>> >>>>>> The decision to move away from that methodology is potentially >>>>>> significant. >>>>>> Critics, both inside and outside the agency, have charged that the >>>>>> inadequacy of data that the FCC collects semiannually from Internet >>>>>> service >>>>>> providers hinders both the governments ability to set smart >>>>>> pro-broadband >>>>>> policies and could slow investment on the technology side. It could >>>>>> also >>>>>> help federal regulators determine whether HYPERLINK >>>>>> "http://www.news.com/8301-10784_3-9897103-7.html"the United States is >>>>>> really >>>>>> as far behind in broadband penetration as some international studies >>>>>> have >>>>>> suggested during the past few years. >>>>>> >>>>>> If not for good government data, our economy would come to a >>>>>> screeching >>>>>> halt, said Commissioner Michael Copps, a Democrat. For example, >>>>>> manufacturers depend on unemployment and gross domestic product >>>>>> figures >>>>>> to >>>>>> set their production targets, and schools and hospitals rely on U.S. >>>>>> Census >>>>>> numbers to project demand for their services, he said. >>>>>> >>>>>> When companies and investors put money into e-commerce or voice over >>>>>> Internet Protocol or Internet video they need to know what kind of >>>>>> broadband >>>>>> infrastructure America actually has, Copps said. >>>>>> >>>>>> Democratic Commissioner Jonathan Adelstein said, This is really the >>>>>> first >>>>>> step toward the national broadband strategy that we so desperately >>>>>> need. >>>>>> >>>>>> Despite his support for the new data collection method, FCC Chairman >>>>>> Kevin >>>>>> Martin said he believes the United States has made incredible strides >>>>>> in >>>>>> broadband deployment since he joined the commission in 2001, with the >>>>>> number >>>>>> of lines growing from 9 million to more than 100 million. Still, he >>>>>> acknowledged, there is certainly more work to be done. >>>>>> >>>>>> The FCC, as is typical, wont release the full text of the changes it >>>>>> adopted for a few weeks, but heres a rundown of major components >>>>>> described >>>>>> at Wednesdays meeting: >>>>>> >>>>>> 200Kbps speeds are no longer considered broadband. Until this >>>>>> point, >>>>>> the >>>>>> FCC has considered any service that produces 200Kbps speeds in the >>>>>> upload >>>>>> or >>>>>> download direction to be high speed. With Wednesdays vote, that >>>>>> methodology is no more. Now, 768Kbps, which is the entry-level speed >>>>>> offered >>>>>> by major DSL providers like Verizon, will be considered the low end of >>>>>> basic broadband, a range that extends to under 1.5Mbps. >>>>>> Broadband service speeds will have to be reported both for uploads >>>>>> and >>>>>> downloads. Previously the FCC had six big categories of broadband >>>>>> speeds, >>>>>> and they effectively only tracked download speeds. Now the agency says >>>>>> it >>>>>> will require reporting on upload speeds. Pro-regulatory advocacy >>>>>> groups >>>>>> like >>>>>> Free Press say thats a necessary step in part because of HYPERLINK >>>>>> "http://www.news.com/8301-13578_3-9872464-38.html"Comcasts admitted >>>>>> throttling of peer-to-peer file-sharing uploads. >>>>>> Upload and download speeds will have to be reported in a more >>>>>> specific >>>>>> way. At the moment, the broadband speeds most commonly offered by >>>>>> cable >>>>>> and >>>>>> telephone companies are lumped into two major categories: those >>>>>> between >>>>>> 200Kbps and 2.5Mbps, and those between 2.5Mbps and 10Mbps. The FCCs >>>>>> new >>>>>> rules would require them to be broken down further, in an attempt to >>>>>> address >>>>>> charges that the current buckets have the potential to overstate the >>>>>> number >>>>>> of high-end subscriptions and understate the number of low-end >>>>>> subscriptions. Those new tiers will be: 1) 200Kbps to 768Kbps (first >>>>>> generation data); 2) 768Kbps to 1.5Mbps (basic broadband); 3) >>>>>> 1.5Mbps >>>>>> to >>>>>> 3Mbps; 4) 3Mbps to 6Mbps; and 5) 6Mbps and above. >>>>>> ISPs will be required to report numbers of subscribers, and at the >>>>>> census-block level. Under the current methodology, ISPs report only >>>>>> the >>>>>> number of ZIP codes in which they have at least one subscriber, and >>>>>> they >>>>>> report numbers of lines nationwide. Now theyll have to report the >>>>>> number >>>>>> of >>>>>> subscribers in each census tract they serve, broken down by speed >>>>>> tier. >>>>>> The >>>>>> FCC decided to use census tracts because researchers may be able to >>>>>> use >>>>>> other demographic statistics collected by the U.S. Census, such as age >>>>>> and >>>>>> income level, to gain insight about what drives broadband penetration >>>>>> rates. >>>>>> ISPs will not have to report the prices they charge .yet. Democratic >>>>>> commissioners and liberal consumer advocacy groups had argued such a >>>>>> step >>>>>> is >>>>>> necessary to give consumers an idea of the value theyre getting for >>>>>> their >>>>>> moneyand to compare U.S. prices to those for comparable services >>>>>> abroad. >>>>>> Copps said on Wednesday that he continues to believe its a mistake >>>>>> to >>>>>> omit that requirement, and Adelstein also voiced concern. But a >>>>>> majority >>>>>> of >>>>>> the commissioners opted to push that decision off until another time >>>>>> and >>>>>> gather more comments. >>>>>> >>>>>> Each of the five commissioners voted in favor of adopting the order, >>>>>> although some attached reservations about some portions of the rules. >>>>>> Adelstein said he would have liked to see the commission require that >>>>>> ISPs >>>>>> distinguish between residential and business customers when doing >>>>>> their >>>>>> reporting. Republican Commissioner Robert McDowell said he was >>>>>> concerned >>>>>> that some of the definitions contained in the rulesparticularly that >>>>>> of >>>>>> broadbandcould have negative long-term effects. >>>>>> >>>>>> Government cannot outguess the genius of free markets, nor should it >>>>>> try, >>>>>> McDowell said. >>>>>> >>>>>> Representatives from the cable and telephone industry had advised the >>>>>> commission against making major changes to its data collection >>>>>> methods. >>>>>> They >>>>>> said they would not be able to comment on the FCCs vote Wednesday >>>>>> until >>>>>> after reviewing the full text of the order. >>>>>> >>>>>> The old methods last gasp >>>>>> In an ironic twist, at the same meeting, the commissioners narrowly >>>>>> voted >>>>>> to >>>>>> adopt the FCCs latest report about the state of American broadband >>>>>> deploymentexcept based on the old methodology that they went on to >>>>>> revamp. >>>>>> Because of that, Copps and Adelstein ripped apart the report and said >>>>>> they >>>>>> couldnt support its conclusions. (Martin, McDowell, and Republican >>>>>> Deborah >>>>>> Tate voted for adoption of the document.) >>>>>> >>>>>> The HYPERLINK >>>>>> "http://hraunfoss.fcc.gov/edocs_public/attachmatch/DOC-280906A1.pdf"report >>>>>> (PDF), which covers the first half of 2007, concluded that broadband >>>>>> services are currently being deployed to all Americans in a reasonable >>>>>> and >>>>>> timely fashion. >>>>>> >>>>>> High-speed linesmeaning, mind you, capable of 200Kbps or greater data >>>>>> transfer speedsgrew from 82 million to 100 million lines during that >>>>>> time, >>>>>> the FCC said. Its report also found that an Internet service provider >>>>>> reported having at least one connection in 99 percent of the countrys >>>>>> ZIP >>>>>> codes, and that 99 percent of the American population lives in those >>>>>> ZIP >>>>>> codes. >>>>>> >>>>>> Copps, for one, called the ZIP code methodology stunningly >>>>>> meaningless. >>>>>> >>>>>> Im happy were starting to change our benchmarks, he said, but my >>>>>> goodness, how late in the day it is. >>>>>> >>>>>> The FCCs actions drew mixed reviews from groups who have been >>>>>> pressing >>>>>> for >>>>>> better broadband data and Net neutrality rules. >>>>>> >>>>>> Gigi Sohn, the president of Public Knowledge, one such group, >>>>>> commended >>>>>> the >>>>>> FCCs new data collection plan, although she said she would have >>>>>> preferred >>>>>> to see price data included and information about residential and >>>>>> commercial >>>>>> customers separated. She also deemed it a mystery that the FCC also >>>>>> chose >>>>>> to issue the broadband availability report when, mere moments later, >>>>>> the >>>>>> Commission admitted the inadequacy of the information. >>>>>> >>>>>> WASHINGTONAs expected, federal regulators on Wednesday voted to >>>>>> overhaul >>>>>> the way they measure how widely broadband is available across the >>>>>> United >>>>>> States. >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> No virus found in this outgoing message. >>>>>> Checked by AVG. >>>>>> Version: 7.5.524 / Virus Database: 269.23.10/1421 - Release Date: >>>>>> 5/7/2008 >>>>>> 5:23 PM >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------- >>>>> ------ >>>>>> WISPA Wants You! 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