BTW, the WISPs did in fact have to build the community center, and staff it, and do classes etc. Big pain in my opinion. So in the cases I know of (I am the upstream provider for a couple of these) they did do all they were supposed to do. I will have to argue the point the loans are easier to get the grants. It typically takes me 3 years to get a new loan for a new ILEC that has never borrowed before. I have seen the WISP grants go through in 6 months or less. Huge difference. I know for a fact that one WISP (nationwide outfit the filed for everything on the map) lied about the areas being underserved or unserved. They filed on areas we actually serve as a WISP. We took the RUS field rep around and proved to him that not only was there DSL in the area but a WISP too. Not alot of due diligence was done by the RUS in these cases. ----- Original Message ----- From: "Tom DeReggi" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> Sent: Tuesday, June 24, 2008 3:00 AM Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2012 - The End of the Internet
> Thats a croc. If that was done, it was the exception, that was snuck under > the radar and done against the rules. And could be easilly protested by > the > DSL service providers previously in existence serving the area. Not that > I > would protest a WISP winning money. > > Chuck, > Are you sure you aren't talking about RUS loans? Its much easier getting > RUS > loans. The Community Connect grant program was very specific on its rules. > One loop holes was, if you found one area that met the qualification, you > could use the funds to build your backhaul through served areas. The RUS > money couldn't be used for the end user deployments in that area, but so > what, a WISP could afford that, once they got a grant to pay for the > Backhaul and towers. > > The RUS grant wasn't really designed for a WISP's typical model. It was > more > designed to build the "community center" and the staff to run it, and > teach > the community, more than it was to bring broadband to the homes > themselves. > > Tom DeReggi > RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc > IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chuck McCown - 2" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> > Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 11:28 PM > Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2012 - The End of the Internet > > >>I can show you towns that have DSL where the RUS gave a local WISP a very >> nice grant to put in service. >> The RUS is even loaning companies to compete with RBOCs. >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Scottie Arnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "'WISPA General List'" <wireless@wispa.org> >> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 10:13 PM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2012 - The End of the Internet >> >> >>> The RUS programs I checked into are for towns with no broadband. The >>> local >>> Rural Co-op telco has at least a few DSL modems in every town in the >>> county. >>> Guess where they got the money for the towns with a "few." Yup, you got >>> it. >>> I was also told that the USDA will not loan or grant you money if you >>> are >>> going to be in direct competition with someone thay have already granted >>> or >>> loaned money too, I do not know how much truth there is to this. >>> >>> Scott >>> >>> -----Original Message----- >>> From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On >>> Behalf Of Tom DeReggi >>> Sent: Monday, June 23, 2008 1:44 PM >>> To: WISPA General List >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2012 - The End of the Internet >>> >>> >>>>The RUS grant program is ideal >>>> for guys like you. >>> >>> Not really. The RUS grant programs were pretty much good for Indian >>> tribes, >>> based on the majority winners. >>> You need close to 100% point award to get one, which means a township >>> less >>> than 500 people. >>> With some exception of course. >>> >>> But from what I've seen, the RUS Loan program has been wonderful for >>> many >>> Rural area providers that were already well financed with a good proven >>> ability to repay, such as a local ILEC. >>> >>> Tom DeReggi >>> RapidDSL & Wireless, Inc >>> IntAirNet- Fixed Wireless Broadband >>> >>> >>> ----- Original Message ----- >>> From: "Chuck McCown - 2" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 11:09 PM >>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2012 - The End of the Internet >>> >>> >>>> You really should get to be govt funded too. The RUS grant program is >>>> ideal >>>> for guys like you. >>>> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >>>> From: "Scottie Arnett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >>>> Sent: Friday, June 20, 2008 10:06 PM >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] 2012 - The End of the Internet >>>> >>>> >>>>> My nearest town(and most populated) that I serve has a population of >>>>> 1600 in TN. And that is a town, not a little subdivision, and the >>>>> local co-op telco is missing some of that providing the service >>>>> beyond dialup along with us. I will mark my calender, and bet you (if >>>>> the FCC does not change their ways with giving the rural co-ops >>>>> everything they ask for, and I have already been in this discussion >>>>> with Chuck, we never had even ISDN until 2003 or so) that you have >>>>> FIOS probably 5 years before we do. Just because, they give the more >>>>> populated "rural areas" the money b4 they do the less populated. Hum, >>>>> does that follow their strategy? Not wanting to start a war >>>>> here....we cover the places the gov't funded co-ops, do NOT. Where is >>>>> OUR money for the area's we cover that the co-op does not? Not >>>>> wanting a politcal war here either....just thinking the current >>>>> "State of War" is far sided from the FCC point of view that the >>>>> already regulated telcos and cable co's are more than enough >>>>> competition. They very seldom consider WISP as competition and I >>>>> invite anyone to provide evidence that they REALLY do! >>>>> >>>>> Scott >>>>> ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >>>>> From: Bryan Scott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>>>> Reply-To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org> >>>>> Date: Fri, 20 Jun 2008 20:37:46 -0600 >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>>On Jun 20, 2008, at 8:23 PM, Scottie Arnett wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> I am probably way more rural than Tom DeReggi on this, and I could >>>>>>> not agree with him more plus add to it as far as the so called >>>>>>> gov't push to get broadband to the "real rural markets." I think >>>>>>> their "push" is more of a "ghost" as far as the FCC has ruled in >>>>>>> the last 6 to 8 years. 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