Multiple vendors, but are any of them interoperable? I don't believe they are.
---------- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "jeffrey thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>; "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> Sent: Sunday, July 06, 2008 1:45 PM Subject: [WISPA] top 10 benefits of Wimax in 3.65ghz > Since everyone was talking about wimax, thought I would throw my 3 cents > in :) > > > Benefits of Wimax in 3.65ghz > > 1. Spectral efficiency ( 4.85 gross bp/hz ) On a six sector > configuration with only 25mhz of spectrum, you can effectively deliver > approx 20mb per sector or 120 mb / per pop, 240 mb when all 50 mhz is > supported. Support for thousands of subscribers is possible off the same > BSU. > 2. multiple vendor support ( currently you have Redline, Aperto, > Airspan, Alvarion, all with FCC approved equipment ) > 3. Better RF performance ( even with siso systems ) > 4. NLOS performance ( OFDM+OFDMA = More difficult shots obtain link ) > 5. Better QOS support, and service flows ( UGS, NRTPS, ETC can be ) > 6. Greater scalablity ( Single sector can support hundreds of > subscribers, our platform supports 30,000 pps ) > 7. Support for multiline VOIP out of box ( UGS + 30K PPS ) > 8. Sub 350 cpe shipping today ( in 100 packs, less with frame order > commitments putting your cost sub 300 ) > 9. Carrier class systems vs Wisp class ( True 99.999% uptime solutions > available for base station equipment, reducing downtime and truck rolls > ) > 10. Carrier class network management systems that simplify provisioning > and management of subscribers and base stations. > > Even if you don't choose aperto, there are many options in the market to > choose from. Talk to your local reseller about your options, Such as > Wireless Connections and Wirelessguys carry many products to choose > from. > > > Best Regards, > > > Jeff Booher > > > Aperto Networks, Inc > Channel Manager, North America > www.apertonet.com > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > 24/7: 206-455-4950 > > > > On Fri, 4 Jul 2008 10:14:44 -0500, "Mike Hammett" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >> Increased spectral efficiency >> Advanced antenna support (the only benefit I understand is increased >> signal >> margin) >> Higher likelihood of multiple vendors vs. many previous BWA technologies, >> though not now >> Eventual lower CPE cost, though not now >> >> >> ---------- >> Mike Hammett >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "Chuck McCown - 3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >> Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 8:55 AM >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Update from the FCC on 3.65Ghz and CBP >> >> >> > What is your opinion about the greatness of WiMax based upon? >> > >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> > From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> > To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >> > Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 7:19 AM >> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Update from the FCC on 3.65Ghz and CBP >> > >> > >> >>I believe that WiMax is great... greater than equipment we currently >> >>use. >> >> I just don't use it at this time because of the cost. I also don't >> >> buy >> >> into >> >> a lot of the hype people (press, manufacturers, vendors, others) are >> >> pushing. I had a project that required 10 meg of synchronous, >> >> committed >> >> bandwidth per customer. I was told (by more than one group) because >> >> of >> >> the >> >> WiMax magic, I could put 2 - 3 customers on equipment capable of 23 >> >> megs. >> >> Sorry, you simply cannot put 10 pounds of shit in a 5 pound box, no >> >> matter >> >> the magic. Other than Mikrotik, only the AN-80i would have been worth >> >> it. >> >> >> >> I do appreciate the FCC's requirement of equipment getting along with >> >> dissimilar equipment. Who knows when we'll have another Canopy or >> >> Tsunami >> >> introduced that just doesn't play well with others. >> >> >> >> >> >> ---------- >> >> Mike Hammett >> >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >> >> Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 11:38 PM >> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Update from the FCC on 3.65Ghz and CBP >> >> >> >> >> >>>I do not think we should build our networks for the "sole purpose of >> >>> suckering, err, selling to someone else". I do believe that I want >> >>> anything I build to have value in the event I do sell. That is not >> >>> "suckering" anyone. Why not build something that holds value or >> >>> appreciates in value? I know a future plan for WISPs to build WiMax >> >>> networks in 3.65 would result in better networks, better valuations >> >>> for WISPs and better economies of scale. >> >>> >> >>> Leaning on 802.11 further is just not the plan we should be using for >> >>> new bands and new opportunities like we have in 3650. We have a >> >>> chance >> >>> to build something greater than we have now. WiMax is what the rest >> >>> of >> >>> the world is already using in the 3.4 thru 3.8 GHz band. Do any of >> >>> you >> >>> think it is smarter for us to abandon the global scale afforded to us >> >>> if we adopt WiMax in 3.65? I am surprised more of you are not >> >>> speaking >> >>> up and saying you agree with this philosophy. Dividing the camp on >> >>> this will not help us as an industry. >> >>> >> >>> I would like to see this group, for once, accept that we need to do >> >>> something together, as a group, for the common good. I think this is >> >>> that opportunity. I see little reason for us to take any other course >> >>> of action in 3.65 GHz. WISPs need to do something as a group to help >> >>> our industry. WiMax in 3.65 is that logical step for us to work >> >>> together and reach some scale and some value. >> >>> >> >>> This is not about "suckering" anyone or being "stuck in a rut". This >> >>> is a chance for us to move to the next level. It is almost >> >>> embarrassing to me that we are actually behind the rest of the world >> >>> here in the US when it comes to this band. WiMax is a serious >> >>> platform >> >>> with many advantages over anything else we have built and used. The >> >>> light licensed opportunities in 3.65 are an incredible experiment >> >>> that >> >>> we need to show success in. If we choose WiMax and adopt this as the >> >>> platform for 3.65 I believe we will advance our entire industry to a >> >>> higher level of funding opportunities, operational reliability, more >> >>> service offerings, etc. >> >>> Scriv >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 4:09 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >>>> I know that a certain number of us ARE going to build a network for >> >>>> the >> >>>> sole >> >>>> purpose of suckering...errr, selling it to someone else. >> >>>> >> >>>> Now, I have severe ethical disagreements with this notion. It >> >>>> reminds >> >>>> me >> >>>> of "flipping houses" or "speculative oil investing", perhaps? >> >>>> >> >>>> Now, to build a business SOLELY for the purpose of selling for a >> >>>> huge >> >>>> chunk >> >>>> of money to someone larger, of planned consolidation seems >> >>>> self-defeating. >> >>>> yes, you might profit, but wha have you really done productively? >> >>>> >> >>>> Still, there are many of us who are NOT intending to "build to >> >>>> sell". >> >>>> We're not in the business of flipping customers to someone else. >> >>>> In >> >>>> that >> >>>> case, overspending for the return on your dollar makes little sense. >> >>>> I'm >> >>>> not sure if ANY hardware platform makes sense in this industry. If >> >>>> we >> >>>> run >> >>>> the numbers, does it actually havea positive return? I suspect >> >>>> not. >> >>>> >> >>>> Still, for those of us who aer NOT in the business of polishing up a >> >>>> turd >> >>>> to >> >>>> sell to someone else ( You have no idea how long I've waited to use >> >>>> that >> >>>> term, since I read it a few years ago!), the investment and prices >> >>>> don't >> >>>> make any real sense... >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> >>>> <insert witty tagline here> >> >>>> >> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >> >>>> From: "David Peterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >> >>>> Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 6:10 AM >> >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Update from the FCC on 3.65Ghz and CBP >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> A number of WISPS are moving to this platform as they find that >> >>>>> the higher end equipment is worth more on a buyout. >> >>>>> >> >>>>> Lets put it this way. If you have a network to sell, how much more >> >>>>> do >> >>>>> you >> >>>>> think you will get if you have Cisco instead of Mikrotik? Nothing >> >>>>> against >> >>>>> them, but the quality of your infrastructure is heavily weighed >> >>>>> during >> >>>>> a >> >>>>> buyout. If you don't agree, check the many spam's on this and >> >>>>> other >> >>>>> lists >> >>>>> from the guys buying networks. Some won't even look at you if you >> >>>>> don't >> >>>>> have Canopy or better equipment. >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> >> >>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >>>> WISPA Wants You! 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