That sounds great. I know I talked to someone from Aperto before, but could someone hit me up offlist? Since Airspan does this as well, could someone from there?
---------- Mike Hammett Intelligent Computing Solutions http://www.ics-il.com ----- Original Message ----- From: "jeffrey thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> Sent: Monday, July 07, 2008 12:04 PM Subject: Re: [WISPA] top 10 benefits of Wimax in 3.65ghz > Scottie, > > We already do that. We have a sliding scale licensing model that starts > at > 16 CPE per sector. I know one other competitor that does this as well ( > Airspan ) > > > > > Jeff Booher > > Channel Manager, North America > www.apertonet.com > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > 24/7: 206-455-4950 > > > On Sun, 6 Jul 2008 19:10:03 -0500, "Scottie Arnett" > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >> It would be great if this worked for everyone, everywhere. Still vendors >> are missing the point in many cases. Every place does NOT have a >> potential for 1000 subs (there is not a 1000 homes in the town I live), >> nor is every place FLAT that can be reached with service for 1000 subs. I >> have 4 900 Mhz AP's on 4 seperate towers just to cover 150 people in one >> county we service. I could not cover that many with 4 of your 3.65Ghz, >> too many hills. >> >> Build me an AP that I can buy with licenses for a certain amount of >> subscribers. Charge me less than $10,000(or whatever yours cost, it will >> definately be higher than my 900Mhz AP) for that AP, then I will buy into >> your 3.65. The vendors are taking the same stance as the FCC on these >> rural areas, forget about them...no money to be made there. Hey even >> rural folks need broadband too, after all we are people just like in the >> big cities...only thing is, it doesn't take us an hour or longer to get >> to work everyday. :) >> >> Scott >> >> ---------- Original Message ---------------------------------- >> From: "jeffrey thomas" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Reply-To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org> >> Date: Sun, 06 Jul 2008 11:45:08 -0700 >> >> >> >Benefits of Wimax in 3.65ghz >> > >> >1. Spectral efficiency ( 4.85 gross bp/hz ) On a six sector >> >configuration with only 25mhz of spectrum, you can effectively deliver >> >approx 20mb per sector or 120 mb / per pop, 240 mb when all 50 mhz is >> >supported. Support for thousands of subscribers is possible off the same >> >> >Aperto Networks, Inc >> >Channel Manager, North America >> >www.apertonet.com >> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >24/7: 206-455-4950 >> > >> > >> > >> >On Fri, 4 Jul 2008 10:14:44 -0500, "Mike Hammett" >> ><[EMAIL PROTECTED]> said: >> >> Increased spectral efficiency >> >> Advanced antenna support (the only benefit I understand is increased >> >> signal >> >> margin) >> >> Higher likelihood of multiple vendors vs. many previous BWA >> >> technologies, >> >> though not now >> >> Eventual lower CPE cost, though not now >> >> >> >> >> >> ---------- >> >> Mike Hammett >> >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> From: "Chuck McCown - 3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >> >> Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 8:55 AM >> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Update from the FCC on 3.65Ghz and CBP >> >> >> >> >> >> > What is your opinion about the greatness of WiMax based upon? >> >> > >> >> > ----- Original Message ----- >> >> > From: "Mike Hammett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> > To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >> >> > Sent: Friday, July 04, 2008 7:19 AM >> >> > Subject: Re: [WISPA] Update from the FCC on 3.65Ghz and CBP >> >> > >> >> > >> >> >>I believe that WiMax is great... greater than equipment we >> >> >>currently use. >> >> >> I just don't use it at this time because of the cost. I also don't >> >> >> buy >> >> >> into >> >> >> a lot of the hype people (press, manufacturers, vendors, others) >> >> >> are >> >> >> pushing. I had a project that required 10 meg of synchronous, >> >> >> committed >> >> >> bandwidth per customer. I was told (by more than one group) >> >> >> because of >> >> >> the >> >> >> WiMax magic, I could put 2 - 3 customers on equipment capable of 23 >> >> >> megs. >> >> >> Sorry, you simply cannot put 10 pounds of shit in a 5 pound box, no >> >> >> matter >> >> >> the magic. Other than Mikrotik, only the AN-80i would have been >> >> >> worth >> >> >> it. >> >> >> >> >> >> I do appreciate the FCC's requirement of equipment getting along >> >> >> with >> >> >> dissimilar equipment. Who knows when we'll have another Canopy or >> >> >> Tsunami >> >> >> introduced that just doesn't play well with others. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ---------- >> >> >> Mike Hammett >> >> >> Intelligent Computing Solutions >> >> >> http://www.ics-il.com >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> >> From: "John Scrivner" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> >> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >> >> >> Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 11:38 PM >> >> >> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Update from the FCC on 3.65Ghz and CBP >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >>>I do not think we should build our networks for the "sole purpose >> >> >>>of >> >> >>> suckering, err, selling to someone else". I do believe that I >> >> >>> want >> >> >>> anything I build to have value in the event I do sell. That is not >> >> >>> "suckering" anyone. Why not build something that holds value or >> >> >>> appreciates in value? I know a future plan for WISPs to build >> >> >>> WiMax >> >> >>> networks in 3.65 would result in better networks, better >> >> >>> valuations >> >> >>> for WISPs and better economies of scale. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> Leaning on 802.11 further is just not the plan we should be using >> >> >>> for >> >> >>> new bands and new opportunities like we have in 3650. We have a >> >> >>> chance >> >> >>> to build something greater than we have now. WiMax is what the >> >> >>> rest of >> >> >>> the world is already using in the 3.4 thru 3.8 GHz band. Do any of >> >> >>> you >> >> >>> think it is smarter for us to abandon the global scale afforded to >> >> >>> us >> >> >>> if we adopt WiMax in 3.65? I am surprised more of you are not >> >> >>> speaking >> >> >>> up and saying you agree with this philosophy. Dividing the camp on >> >> >>> this will not help us as an industry. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> I would like to see this group, for once, accept that we need to >> >> >>> do >> >> >>> something together, as a group, for the common good. I think this >> >> >>> is >> >> >>> that opportunity. I see little reason for us to take any other >> >> >>> course >> >> >>> of action in 3.65 GHz. WISPs need to do something as a group to >> >> >>> help >> >> >>> our industry. WiMax in 3.65 is that logical step for us to work >> >> >>> together and reach some scale and some value. >> >> >>> >> >> >>> This is not about "suckering" anyone or being "stuck in a rut". >> >> >>> This >> >> >>> is a chance for us to move to the next level. It is almost >> >> >>> embarrassing to me that we are actually behind the rest of the >> >> >>> world >> >> >>> here in the US when it comes to this band. WiMax is a serious >> >> >>> platform >> >> >>> with many advantages over anything else we have built and used. >> >> >>> The >> >> >>> light licensed opportunities in 3.65 are an incredible experiment >> >> >>> that >> >> >>> we need to show success in. If we choose WiMax and adopt this as >> >> >>> the >> >> >>> platform for 3.65 I believe we will advance our entire industry to >> >> >>> a >> >> >>> higher level of funding opportunities, operational reliability, >> >> >>> more >> >> >>> service offerings, etc. >> >> >>> Scriv >> >> >>> >> >> >>> >> >> >>> On Thu, Jul 3, 2008 at 4:09 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> >> >>>> I know that a certain number of us ARE going to build a network >> >> >>>> for the >> >> >>>> sole >> >> >>>> purpose of suckering...errr, selling it to someone else. >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> Now, I have severe ethical disagreements with this notion. It >> >> >>>> reminds >> >> >>>> me >> >> >>>> of "flipping houses" or "speculative oil investing", perhaps? >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> Now, to build a business SOLELY for the purpose of selling for a >> >> >>>> huge >> >> >>>> chunk >> >> >>>> of money to someone larger, of planned consolidation seems >> >> >>>> self-defeating. >> >> >>>> yes, you might profit, but wha have you really done productively? >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> Still, there are many of us who are NOT intending to "build to >> >> >>>> sell". >> >> >>>> We're not in the business of flipping customers to someone else. >> >> >>>> In >> >> >>>> that >> >> >>>> case, overspending for the return on your dollar makes little >> >> >>>> sense. >> >> >>>> I'm >> >> >>>> not sure if ANY hardware platform makes sense in this industry. >> >> >>>> If we >> >> >>>> run >> >> >>>> the numbers, does it actually havea positive return? I suspect >> >> >>>> not. >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> Still, for those of us who aer NOT in the business of polishing >> >> >>>> up a >> >> >>>> turd >> >> >>>> to >> >> >>>> sell to someone else ( You have no idea how long I've waited to >> >> >>>> use >> >> >>>> that >> >> >>>> term, since I read it a few years ago!), the investment and >> >> >>>> prices >> >> >>>> don't >> >> >>>> make any real sense... >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ >> >> >>>> <insert witty tagline here> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> ----- Original Message ----- >> >> >>>> From: "David Peterson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> >> >>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org> >> >> >>>> Sent: Thursday, July 03, 2008 6:10 AM >> >> >>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Update from the FCC on 3.65Ghz and CBP >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> A number of WISPS are moving to this platform as they find that >> >> >>>>> the higher end equipment is worth more on a buyout. >> >> >>>>> >> >> >>>>> Lets put it this way. If you have a network to sell, how much >> >> >>>>> more do >> >> >>>>> you >> >> >>>>> think you will get if you have Cisco instead of Mikrotik? >> >> >>>>> Nothing >> >> >>>>> against >> >> >>>>> them, but the quality of your infrastructure is heavily weighed >> >> >>>>> during >> >> >>>>> a >> >> >>>>> buyout. If you don't agree, check the many spam's on this and >> >> >>>>> other >> >> >>>>> lists >> >> >>>>> from the guys buying networks. Some won't even look at you if >> >> >>>>> you >> >> >>>>> don't >> >> >>>>> have Canopy or better equipment. >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> >> >> >>>> -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- >> >> >>>> WISPA Wants You! 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