PPPoE, NAT and the queuing are all pretty much available as is in 
Linux.  The part that really needs to be written, it my opinion is the 
polling MAC which is not something many people are probably qualified to 
do.  It is not a trivial problem to get right, I'm not sure how much is 
out there that one could base their code on and I don't know too many 
people that are willing to alpha test live customers on one ;)

I think it would be cool, but I don't have the time to invest in it.  I 
would be happy to spend a bit of time working on other stuff, such as 
wrapping the queuing, nat or other bits, but to actually spend the time 
to implement a new MAC, I don't have the skills and don't see me having 
the time to acquire those skills to make it happen.  But if we find 
someone, count me in ;)

    Sam Tetherow
    Sandhills Wireless

Chuck McCown - 3 wrote:
> Well, if there was a framework of working code, and a group to help write a 
> spec, I am sure some of us would hack at some of it.  For example, a 
> fraction of NAT or PPPoE or a filter or whatever could be done in bite size 
> pieces.  I would love to write a small chunk.  I used to support myself 
> writing code and still find it mildly theraputic when I seldom get the 
> chance.  But I really have no clue as to how much ROS or any of the other 
> products cost as we are a 100% canopy shop.
> ----- Original Message ----- 
> From: "Sam Tetherow" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
> Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 8:06 PM
> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nanostations
>
>
>   
>> I think for the most part those that would like something like this and
>> have the skills to do it, don't have the time to do the initial work or
>> support it.  It is easier to just buy StarOS or ROS, or buy equipment
>> that already has the license for it.
>>
>>    Sam Tetherow
>>    Sandhills Wireless
>>
>> Chuck McCown - 3 wrote:
>>     
>>> I am surprised an open source project has not sprung up to do this.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Japhy Bartlett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 5:55 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nanostations
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>       
>>>> Maybe Mikrotik should take a note from Microsoft's book..  Remember
>>>> how we went through the whole Apple/Windows game?  How the company
>>>> that wrote software for specific hardware lost - hard?
>>>>
>>>> For me, (and perhaps the low-end market!) I really just want a
>>>> card/enclosure/poe/N-connector that I can flash with Linux or
>>>> something similar; why everyone wants to make their own proprietary
>>>> firmware sort of baffles me - why not tap into all of the very good
>>>> code already written and being developed?
>>>>
>>>> Unless you are trying to deliver a commercial, polished product aimed
>>>> at users who are less savvy about the guts and want an easier admin.
>>>> solution.  I.e., Windows and Apple.
>>>>
>>>> Look at how the PC market converged towards x86!  If Mikrotik or some
>>>> of the other big firmware companies pressured the hardware market into
>>>> some sort of interchangeable hardware standard, we wouldn't need to
>>>> "port" every stinking firmware flavor.
>>>>
>>>> Just saying, I think that Windows is arguably the most successful
>>>> business model .. ever?
>>>>
>>>> And just as a last thought - nobody's really said, "well this firmware
>>>> does X better".  Is there anything particularly different between
>>>> Mikrotik, or StarOS or AirOS?
>>>>
>>>> - japhy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>         
>>>>> And no, I am not saying Mikrotik is evil. They are just a profit
>>>>> oriented company with clear idea how to explore their market share and
>>>>> having a really solid businessplan. And just as you will never see
>>>>> Microsoft supporting Linux type software, you will never see Mikrotik
>>>>> supporting NS2/5. Though it's likely you may see Mikrotik version of
>>>>> hardware pretty much the same as NS2/5 sometime soon.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 7/21/08, Sam Tetherow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>           
>>>>>> While you may be right on their focus being RB+ROS.  I don't 
>>>>>> understand
>>>>>> why they would not want to sell a $40 license on a piece of hardware
>>>>>> giving them a theoretical profit of close to $40.  Hardware has to be
>>>>>> manufactured and shipped and warrantied to some extent.  If they are
>>>>>> already writing the software to go with their hardware, why not pick 
>>>>>> up
>>>>>> the extra sale on someone elses hardware at next to no addtional cost.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> People buying the NS2/5 are doing it from a cost standpoint.  Even 
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> an additional $40 for a software license it would be 110 for a compact
>>>>>> unit with integrated antenna, dual polarity and a POE.  That is $10 
>>>>>> less
>>>>>> than just the crossroads board with no POE, antenna or enclosure.   It
>>>>>> would cost another 50% for a rootenna and POE.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If they worked with Ubiquiti they would have a chance to own the 
>>>>>> lowend
>>>>>> market and finally have certified gear out there.  The upgrade path
>>>>>> would be perfect for their hardware.  They would sell the AP hardware 
>>>>>> as
>>>>>> well as higher end CPEs for business and backhauls and  still make
>>>>>> $40/CPE on the cheap end.  And the operator has a 100% end to end ROS
>>>>>> network.  I wonder if they are making $40 on a crossroads after
>>>>>> manufacture and shipping.  I really don't see the downside to this,
>>>>>> especially if the hardware is similar to the crossroads and ubiquiti
>>>>>> really expressed and interest in working with them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, if MT doesn't want the business, I wonder if Lonnie is
>>>>>> interested...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Sam Tetherow
>>>>>>     Sandhills Wireless
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Matt Ferre wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>             
>>>>>>> Looking at the posts on the Mikrotik forum I'd say Mikrotik doesn't
>>>>>>> exactly like Ubiquiti. And from business point of view I can clearly
>>>>>>> see why.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Who exactly would benefit from porting Mikrotik to NS5? Mikrotik? No,
>>>>>>> their Routerboard sales would drop and as we see during last two 
>>>>>>> years
>>>>>>> they are more into selling Routerboard + Routeros package than the
>>>>>>> software alone. Ubiquiti would be the main beneficiary of that
>>>>>>> situation and that's why you're not going to see it happen. Never
>>>>>>> ever.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, 20 Jul 2008, Jeromie Reeves wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>               
>>>>>>>>> Oswave says there is no NS2/5 support and will not be. DD-WRT has
>>>>>>>>> support. That is a shame since ros/sos seam not to have plans to
>>>>>>>>> support them. I wonder how much effort/money it would be to get
>>>>>>>>> Ubiquity to solicit a firmware from someone?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>                   
>>>>>>> My understanding (this is "friend of a friend" quality info) is that
>>>>>>> MT and Ubiquity DID have discussions about the NS platform.  It is
>>>>>>> not something that is going to happen "out of the box", however with
>>>>>>> a 16M flash that Travis mentioned, perhaps it is something that
>>>>>>> could be done.  I mean, the cost would be just $45 for the nLevel4
>>>>>>> license and only about $23 or so (I can't recall the available
>>>>>>> pricing) for nLevel3 plus the hardware cost.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --  
>>>>>>> ********************************************************************
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>>>>>>> Engineering
>>>>>>> *MikroTik RouterOS * *573-276-2879 *ImageStream *
>>>>>>> *http://www.butchevans.com/ *StarOS and MORE *
>>>>>>> *http://blog.butchevans.com/ *Wired or wireless Networks * *Mikrotik
>>>>>>> Certified Consultant *Professional Technical Trainer *
>>>>>>> ********************************************************************
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