Charles, we are a Canopy shop. I think most are looking at the ability to 
compete more profitably with DSL/cable...at least that is what I am after. Not 
counting the build out of lines/cable to the customer, the DSL/Cable Co's are 
out around $50 or less for the CPE end. I have not looked in a while, but about 
2 years ago I could get some used 24/48 port dslams for around $3,000...just 
saw a 48 port lucent stinger on ebay for $1500...so about the same price of a 
new 900Mhz Canopy AP.

While it cost us WISP alot less than DSL/Cable to build our infrastructure, 
they are out MUCH less for the CPE end and offering carrier class broadband. I 
am putting the cable buildout to the side, because they already had this done 
for telephone/TV and have that added revenue to pay for that already.

So, yes, a sub $100 CPE is what I am looking for. It may not be carrier class, 
but if it works...I am all for it.

just my thoughts,
Scottie Arnett 

---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
From: Charles Wu <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Reply-To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
Date:  Sun, 20 Jul 2008 21:11:58 -0500

>So, seeing the activity on this latest thread regarding Nanostations has 
>peaked my interest...so, to satisfy my own curiosity,  I decided to do some 
>research on Nanostations
>
>(I'm making a lot of assumptions here, so please correct me if I'm wrong, as 
>I'm a relative newbie to this segment of the market)
>
>Now, it seems to me that the Nanostation, although cheaper in price, due to 
>being limited to running CSMA/CA, does not do a good job in competing with the 
>Motorola Canopy / Trango / Alvarions of the world...people who buy those 
>products are paying for the extra R&D effort put into developing a more 
>"WISP-focused" solution than just "plain-ol" Wi-Fi
>
>That said, getting into the world of Wi-Fi CPE - for anyone who is not running 
>a proprietary protocol, it seems that the current market leader is Tranzeo, 
>however, looking at their site, it seems that their "value-line" (SL2) product 
>still goes for about $130 and doesn't even have ½ the features of the 
>Nanostation and AirOS
>
>If you're running Mikrotik in 802.11x (WiFi) mode, by the time you factor in 
>the cost of the card, antenna, enclosure, power supply, you're back at that 
>$150 / CPE level
>
>With the Nanostation at $89.95, why would anyone deploying a 802.11x-based 
>WISP buy anything else?
>
>-Charles
>
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>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Blair Davis
>Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 8:59 PM
>To: WISPA General List
>Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nanostations
>
>You know,
>
>It doesn't need to be a full port of mikrotik either...
>
>It needs to be a client.  802.11abg, netstream, bridging, basic NAT, dhcp 
>client/server, ppp client, and interface queues would be enough for most of us.
>
>A lot of things could be removed to maybe get it down to the flash size needed.
>
>Just a thought.
>
>Travis Johnson wrote:
>Mikrotik would make MORE money by porting ROS to the Nanostation than they 
>currently make on the Crossroads or RB411 (which we are buying hundreds per 
>month of now).
>
>If it's a business decision, MT would be smart to port the software ASAP.
>
>Travis
>
>Matt Ferre wrote:
>
>One more note. Mikrotik has long history of introducing 'their'
>
>version of hardware that was previously sold by UBNT and made the
>
>momentum.
>
>
>
>First there was SR5. Then there came Mikrotik R52H, which is far worse
>
>in terms of performance and quality (though 50% cheaper) but just at
>
>that time became the high power card of choice for all MT based
>
>applications. Just at that time you could see MT support posts on
>
>their forum starting to suggest swapping SR5 to R52H if you only had
>
>any problems and that move alone was magicaly supposed to cure all
>
>your problems.
>
>
>
>Then there came RB133 - a cheap CPE replacement for LS5 and/or LS2. At
>
>that time LS2/LS5 became a no-no for MT use too.
>
>
>
>Then again, there is a Crossroads which is brand new and strangely
>
>similiar to LS2. That's obviously a coincidence too.
>
>
>
>And no, I am not saying Mikrotik is evil. They are just a profit
>
>oriented company with clear idea how to explore their market share and
>
>having a really solid businessplan. And just as you will never see
>
>Microsoft supporting Linux type software, you will never see Mikrotik
>
>supporting NS2/5. Though it's likely you may see Mikrotik version of
>
>hardware pretty much the same as NS2/5 sometime soon.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>On 7/21/08, Sam Tetherow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]><mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
>
>While you may be right on their focus being RB+ROS.  I don't understand
>
>why they would not want to sell a $40 license on a piece of hardware
>
>giving them a theoretical profit of close to $40.  Hardware has to be
>
>manufactured and shipped and warrantied to some extent.  If they are
>
>already writing the software to go with their hardware, why not pick up
>
>the extra sale on someone elses hardware at next to no addtional cost.
>
>
>
>People buying the NS2/5 are doing it from a cost standpoint.  Even with
>
>an additional $40 for a software license it would be 110 for a compact
>
>unit with integrated antenna, dual polarity and a POE.  That is $10 less
>
>than just the crossroads board with no POE, antenna or enclosure.   It
>
>would cost another 50% for a rootenna and POE.
>
>
>
>If they worked with Ubiquiti they would have a chance to own the lowend
>
>market and finally have certified gear out there.  The upgrade path
>
>would be perfect for their hardware.  They would sell the AP hardware as
>
>well as higher end CPEs for business and backhauls and  still make
>
>$40/CPE on the cheap end.  And the operator has a 100% end to end ROS
>
>network.  I wonder if they are making $40 on a crossroads after
>
>manufacture and shipping.  I really don't see the downside to this,
>
>especially if the hardware is similar to the crossroads and ubiquiti
>
>really expressed and interest in working with them.
>
>
>
>Well, if MT doesn't want the business, I wonder if Lonnie is interested...
>
>
>
>    Sam Tetherow
>
>    Sandhills Wireless
>
>
>
>Matt Ferre wrote:
>
>
>
>Looking at the posts on the Mikrotik forum I'd say Mikrotik doesn't
>
>exactly like Ubiquiti. And from business point of view I can clearly
>
>see why.
>
>
>
>Who exactly would benefit from porting Mikrotik to NS5? Mikrotik? No,
>
>their Routerboard sales would drop and as we see during last two years
>
>they are more into selling Routerboard + Routeros package than the
>
>software alone. Ubiquiti would be the main beneficiary of that
>
>situation and that's why you're not going to see it happen. Never
>
>ever.
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>On Sun, 20 Jul 2008, Jeromie Reeves wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>Oswave says there is no NS2/5 support and will not be. DD-WRT has
>
>support. That is a shame since ros/sos seam not to have plans to
>
>support them. I wonder how much effort/money it would be to get
>
>Ubiquity to solicit a firmware from someone?
>
>
>
>
>
>My understanding (this is "friend of a friend" quality info) is that
>
>MT and Ubiquity DID have discussions about the NS platform.  It is
>
>not something that is going to happen "out of the box", however with
>
>a 16M flash that Travis mentioned, perhaps it is something that
>
>could be done.  I mean, the cost would be just $45 for the nLevel4
>
>license and only about $23 or so (I can't recall the available
>
>pricing) for nLevel3 plus the hardware cost.
>
>
>
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