Visualization?

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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Computing Solutions
http://www.ics-il.com


----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Dennis Burgess" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 11:56 PM
Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nanostations


> Very seriously doubt they will be dropping support for x86.  Seeing that
> they just introduced visualization only offered on the x86 platform!
>
> Scottie Arnett wrote:
>> DD-WRT and OpenWRT pretty much already do this for quite a few chipsets. 
>> They are not near the software as Mikrotik or StarOS is...but, if 
>> Mikrotikl drops support for x86, I would not be suprised if they or a new 
>> project starts very quickly to serve that need.
>>
>> Scott
>>
>> ---------- Original Message ----------------------------------
>> From: "Chuck McCown - 3" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> Reply-To: WISPA General List <wireless@wispa.org>
>> Date:  Sun, 20 Jul 2008 18:01:19 -0600
>>
>>
>>> I am surprised an open source project has not sprung up to do this.
>>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----- 
>>> From: "Japhy Bartlett" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>> To: "WISPA General List" <wireless@wispa.org>
>>> Sent: Sunday, July 20, 2008 5:55 PM
>>> Subject: Re: [WISPA] Nanostations
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> Maybe Mikrotik should take a note from Microsoft's book..  Remember
>>>> how we went through the whole Apple/Windows game?  How the company
>>>> that wrote software for specific hardware lost - hard?
>>>>
>>>> For me, (and perhaps the low-end market!) I really just want a
>>>> card/enclosure/poe/N-connector that I can flash with Linux or
>>>> something similar; why everyone wants to make their own proprietary
>>>> firmware sort of baffles me - why not tap into all of the very good
>>>> code already written and being developed?
>>>>
>>>> Unless you are trying to deliver a commercial, polished product aimed
>>>> at users who are less savvy about the guts and want an easier admin.
>>>> solution.  I.e., Windows and Apple.
>>>>
>>>> Look at how the PC market converged towards x86!  If Mikrotik or some
>>>> of the other big firmware companies pressured the hardware market into
>>>> some sort of interchangeable hardware standard, we wouldn't need to
>>>> "port" every stinking firmware flavor.
>>>>
>>>> Just saying, I think that Windows is arguably the most successful
>>>> business model .. ever?
>>>>
>>>> And just as a last thought - nobody's really said, "well this firmware
>>>> does X better".  Is there anything particularly different between
>>>> Mikrotik, or StarOS or AirOS?
>>>>
>>>> - japhy
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>> And no, I am not saying Mikrotik is evil. They are just a profit
>>>>> oriented company with clear idea how to explore their market share and
>>>>> having a really solid businessplan. And just as you will never see
>>>>> Microsoft supporting Linux type software, you will never see Mikrotik
>>>>> supporting NS2/5. Though it's likely you may see Mikrotik version of
>>>>> hardware pretty much the same as NS2/5 sometime soon.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> On 7/21/08, Sam Tetherow <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> While you may be right on their focus being RB+ROS.  I don't 
>>>>>> understand
>>>>>> why they would not want to sell a $40 license on a piece of hardware
>>>>>> giving them a theoretical profit of close to $40.  Hardware has to be
>>>>>> manufactured and shipped and warrantied to some extent.  If they are
>>>>>> already writing the software to go with their hardware, why not pick 
>>>>>> up
>>>>>> the extra sale on someone elses hardware at next to no addtional 
>>>>>> cost.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> People buying the NS2/5 are doing it from a cost standpoint.  Even 
>>>>>> with
>>>>>> an additional $40 for a software license it would be 110 for a 
>>>>>> compact
>>>>>> unit with integrated antenna, dual polarity and a POE.  That is $10 
>>>>>> less
>>>>>> than just the crossroads board with no POE, antenna or enclosure. 
>>>>>> It
>>>>>> would cost another 50% for a rootenna and POE.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If they worked with Ubiquiti they would have a chance to own the 
>>>>>> lowend
>>>>>> market and finally have certified gear out there.  The upgrade path
>>>>>> would be perfect for their hardware.  They would sell the AP hardware 
>>>>>> as
>>>>>> well as higher end CPEs for business and backhauls and  still make
>>>>>> $40/CPE on the cheap end.  And the operator has a 100% end to end ROS
>>>>>> network.  I wonder if they are making $40 on a crossroads after
>>>>>> manufacture and shipping.  I really don't see the downside to this,
>>>>>> especially if the hardware is similar to the crossroads and ubiquiti
>>>>>> really expressed and interest in working with them.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Well, if MT doesn't want the business, I wonder if Lonnie is
>>>>>> interested...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>     Sam Tetherow
>>>>>>     Sandhills Wireless
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Matt Ferre wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Looking at the posts on the Mikrotik forum I'd say Mikrotik doesn't
>>>>>>> exactly like Ubiquiti. And from business point of view I can clearly
>>>>>>> see why.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Who exactly would benefit from porting Mikrotik to NS5? Mikrotik? 
>>>>>>> No,
>>>>>>> their Routerboard sales would drop and as we see during last two 
>>>>>>> years
>>>>>>> they are more into selling Routerboard + Routeros package than the
>>>>>>> software alone. Ubiquiti would be the main beneficiary of that
>>>>>>> situation and that's why you're not going to see it happen. Never
>>>>>>> ever.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On Sun, 20 Jul 2008, Jeromie Reeves wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Oswave says there is no NS2/5 support and will not be. DD-WRT has
>>>>>>>>> support. That is a shame since ros/sos seam not to have plans to
>>>>>>>>> support them. I wonder how much effort/money it would be to get
>>>>>>>>> Ubiquity to solicit a firmware from someone?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> My understanding (this is "friend of a friend" quality info) is that
>>>>>>> MT and Ubiquity DID have discussions about the NS platform.  It is
>>>>>>> not something that is going to happen "out of the box", however with
>>>>>>> a 16M flash that Travis mentioned, perhaps it is something that
>>>>>>> could be done.  I mean, the cost would be just $45 for the nLevel4
>>>>>>> license and only about $23 or so (I can't recall the available
>>>>>>> pricing) for nLevel3 plus the hardware cost.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> --  
>>>>>>> ********************************************************************
>>>>>>> *Butch Evans *Professional Network Consultation * *Network 
>>>>>>> Engineering
>>>>>>> *MikroTik RouterOS * *573-276-2879 *ImageStream *
>>>>>>> *http://www.butchevans.com/ *StarOS and MORE *
>>>>>>> *http://blog.butchevans.com/ *Wired or wireless Networks * *Mikrotik
>>>>>>> Certified Consultant *Professional Technical Trainer *
>>>>>>> ********************************************************************
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